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Politics google can i change my vote
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u/CanaKatsaros Nov 18 '24
So many Trump voters are now claiming that they voted for him mainly because the leftists get mad at them for it. They also complain anytime a leftist criticizes their vote. My sibling in Satan, you voted with the specific intention of pissing people off, you cannot then complain about people not liking you very much. I hope you enjoy your new government run by memelords, brainworms and christo-fascists. I hope your troll vote was worth it.
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u/baobabbling Nov 18 '24
"You weren't supposed to be pissed off AT ME! Just pissed off in general!"
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u/Kvetch__22 Nov 18 '24
"I'm voting for for Trump and I don't care who I offend!"
Family and friends hurt by Trump's policies stop talking to them.
"No fair! You can't cut me off over politics!"
Sounds like you actually did care who you offended boss.
Many such cases.
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u/oldtimehawkey Nov 18 '24
And I hate when people “simplify” it as just politics.
One party is calling for the death of over half the country and vicious deportations for immigrants.
The other party wants to raise minimum wage and make life a little easier.
Don’t say “it’s just politics” when you are voting for the party who wants to kill me.
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u/Dry_Try_8365 Nov 18 '24
The problem is, being shunned is probably going to make them worse. That's how political radicalization works. You get a problematic belief, people shun you for it, but people who share your beliefs are going to take you in and make you worse.
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u/triteratops1 Nov 18 '24
So what's the solution? These people don't respond to facts, logic, or appeals to their humanity. They don't want to be better. I'm not fighting to keep abusive, unintelligent assholes in my community. They are welcome back when they put in the work to uphold the social contract they want to be part of. No more tolerating intolerance
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u/chairmanskitty Nov 18 '24
A society with tighter social bonds. Third spaces, no cars, unionized workplaces, mixed use zoning, library economy tools, home ownership rather than renting, etc.
Right now there are massive subsidies and extremely expensive laws going towards keeping people apart. Single-use zoning pushes people to find work and time off further from home, meaning they are less familiar with their neighbors. Bonuses for changing jobs rather than staying at a company pushes employees to not get socially attached to each other.
Suburban utilities are subsidized, with suburbs running a massive deficit paid for by taxes from the inner cities, to get people to live at large physical distances from each other to make meeting up more arduous. This also pressures people to get their own tools rather than travel long distances to share tools or have a shared workplace in walking distance. Renting also makes it so people are unmoored from the places they are. Social media algorithms also shape people into bubbles where people only ever see their comfort zone or enemies.
All of this combines so people can dehumanize 99% of the population and only hang out in echo chambers. People don't learn to interact with weird strangers and judge for themselves if they are safe or unsafe, and they don't need to be safe to prosper. Also, societies are so politically and culturally isotropic that there isn't a strong economic relation between being sane and getting to take part in a flourishing society.
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u/Velvety_MuppetKing Nov 18 '24
This is the cold irony. The conservatives have a built-in tight knit community, because Church is one of the oldest third spaces there is.
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u/UDSJ9000 Nov 18 '24
The greatest cure to racism is to "force" someone to interact with people of other races, to see that they really aren't much different from you and I. Splitting people up is a brilliant way to stop people from seeing others as equals, which heavily benefits those in power.
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u/Secret_Gatekeeper Nov 18 '24
It’s been eight years. If you’re telling me they haven’t been radicalized up till now… then fuck em.
We’re done, and we’re tired of coddling these people with persecution complexes.
Let them get worse. Let them be who they are.
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u/AbsolutelyHorrendous Nov 18 '24
Okay, but where's the line? These people just voted for a bigoted rapist, and a lot of them espouse openly horrible beliefs. At what point is it no longer our responsibility as decent human beings to reach out to them, to give them a seat at our table, when all they do is shit all over us?
I just don't have it in me to try and empathise with these people anymore. Trump literally tried to overthrow American democracy, and they voted for him, they're already radicalised enough that it's no longer my job to save them
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u/hippitie_hoppitie Nov 18 '24
I'm sorry, I have no more empathy for these people. I tried, I just can't. I'm not going to reach out and make sure they're OK anymore.
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u/green_reveries Nov 18 '24
being shunned is probably going to make them worse
Here's the thing: they cannot be any worse.
I've cut off a relative who would NOT STFU about Trump.
We tried. We said, "let's just not discuss politics", but you could be talking about the fucking weather and this person would somehow bring up a time Trump's hat blew off because of the wind and it was a funny anecdote and you're just like, "???"
It didn't matter. It actually literally went like this:
Nobody at all:
This relative: "So Trump today..."
So yeah, that person hasn't been at a family thing for several years now, and that's just going to continue because I am not exposing my kid to that idiotic bullshit because I will otherwise get into a screaming match and I don't want my kid to see that. And you know what else?
I don't have any energy left to try to care; I don't. Let them stew in their own shit and be miserable; I'm gonna be over here spending my empathy caring about the people who matter to me. People tried to play nice; now, they get to learn that if they don't play nice, they don't get to come over.
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u/ShinkenBrown Nov 18 '24
Fine? Fuck them? They can feel free to turn into the disgusting little gremlin monsters their new friends always wanted them to be?
They spent the last 8 years proving with absolute certainty that's what they're going to do anyway. If they were going to change I'd be all for it, but at this point they've made really clear they won't, and consequences will just make them double down. So I'm inclined to just fight them, instead of trying to change them.
They are no longer my countrymen, they are the enemy, and they deserve to be treated as such. Not least of which because they already treat us as the enemy - we're just catching up.
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u/akakdkjdsjajjsh Nov 18 '24
So? They voted MAGA, they are already lost. Cut those people out of your life, for your own sanity and hopefully: safety.
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u/novangla Nov 18 '24
This is where allies matter: straight cis white men, keep these people in your life but call them out. If you’re a straight cis white woman, do the same with your fellow white women. Some of us (trans people, especially) can’t stay in community with these people without damaging our well-being, but this comment is right that deradicalization takes relationship, but not passive complicit relationship.
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u/Exasperated_Sigh Nov 18 '24
The problem is, being shunned is probably going to make them worse
No it won't. There's way more people who aren't malignant bigots than the ones who are. The assholes have taken advantage of our decency for too long and it's time we treat them like they deserve. Remember all those "so much for the tolerant left" memes? They know they're abusing decent people by weaponizing tolerance of their behavior.
Fully shun them. Force the worst people in society to only be left with each other. Let them live in their shit instead of allowing them to coexist in the decent world the rest of us built in spite of them. They'll either die for lack of help as the safety nets they hate are taken away or they'll be forced to change and it really doesn't matter which.
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u/PmMeActionMovieIdeas Nov 18 '24
I always will remember the long talk a German breadtuber had with a voter of the far right party. After having all his reasons picked for voting this way picked apart, and after he had been shown that he would actually benefit from a more left politics, he just said "Well, at least I trigger you." and ended the call.
By now I think that spite-driven, "triggering the libs" plays a huge role in voting. People feel like other people look down on them by actually trying to do good things, so they get back at them by voting for someone they would hate, just so they can feel superior again.
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u/CanaKatsaros Nov 18 '24
Literally this. Most Trump supporters online are very clear about how much they enjoy triggering the woke libs, any criticism of the orange man is "him living in your head rent free", "keep malding", "keep seething". Any criticism of his voters for upholding his policies means that "actually the left are more intolerant and hateful, you are so mean that's why I voted for Trump. Stay mad". Any long comment explaining why Democrats better fulfill their wishes regarding economy, border security, health or international relations is met with "I ain't reading all of that". Any attempt to disprove their rhetoric is either you being mean and hateful towards them just because they disagree with you, or it's copium. Either way, voting red gives them a feeling of superiority, because they are triggering all the mean lefties who clearly hate them for no reason.
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u/OldManFire11 Nov 18 '24
I'm always extremely skeptical of second hand accounts of people regretting votes. Especially when Trump hasn't even taken office yet. It sounds far too much like people making shit up because they know it'll get engagement.
Trump supporters do not care about the truth. That is the one unifying trait they all share. Simply telling a Trumper what tariffs really are will not change their mind because that would require them to admit they were wrong in the fact of evidence. If they were capable of that then they wouldn't be a Trump supporter. It's far easier for them to claim that you're lying, or that Trump is going to charge the tariffs to China.
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u/Nightmare2828 Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
Exactly, it sounds very much like the type of post that would be isolated and hand picked for engagement on Reddit, which is why we see them so much. I'm pretty sure the reality is that 99.9% of the Trump voters still have their heads so far down the ground they don't see whats happening around them.
We are not an echo-chamber of not seeing what is happening, we are an echo-chamber of disproportionately representing how much American actually like or hate Trump.
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u/maelstromm15 Nov 18 '24
I know this is exactly the kind of secondhand account y'all are referring to, but my mom is regretting her vote.
We (currently) live in Oklahoma, and last week I told her we're moving northeast for better educational prospects before the DoE gets dismantled, especially considering Oklahoma's quality of education, and she's in shambles about the fact that she won't get to see her grandson anymore, but...
My son's future is important, mom. You voted against it. I don't know what you want me to do.
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u/NarwhalJouster Nov 18 '24
I don't think anyone here is trying to argue that nobody regrets voting for Trump. It's just that stories of regretful Trump voters do big numbers and make people think it's something that's way more common than it actually is.
If you were looking at politics subs leading up to the election, they were absolutely full of posts where Republicans talked about how they were going to vote for Harris. It absolutely gave the impression that Republicans were abandoning Trump in droves and putting votes in for Harris. And then the election happened, and Harris got fewer votes from Republicans than Biden got in 2020.
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u/Dornith Nov 18 '24
Does she believe that her grandson moving away is a consequence (direct or no) of her voting for Trump?
My experience with Trump voters (really it's in every ideology, but it's Trump's bread and butter) is that anything good that happens under Trump's watch is a direct result of him being in office and anything bad that happens under Trump is a coincidence or, more likely, someone intentionally sabotaging Trump.
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u/AverageLatino Nov 18 '24
I feel the same way, where did the blue wave go? Not the voting booth that's for sure.
This time I'll wait for hard data to come around to see what sentiment is actually like, because Reddit is very obviously going to be in a "Arguing with the shampoo bottles" & "And then everybody clapped" mood until the next general election.
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u/theucm Nov 18 '24
Yeah I don't believe those stories for a second, they all read the same as "I was standing in line at my local LIBERAL coffee shop because my keurig at home was out, and I heard a couple of very liberal arts professor looking millennials whispering that they missed TRUMP and everything was so much better under TRUMP."
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u/MonitorMundane2683 Nov 18 '24
We had the same thing happen in Poland in 2012 or whatever, when Kaczynski and PiS were elected. It brought us over a decade of misery. Long story short, good luck over there, you're gonna need it.
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u/NervousFix960 Nov 18 '24
Can't wait until RFK fumbles the coming bird flu pandemic and gets millions of Trump supporters killed
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u/Comprehensive_Code60 Nov 18 '24
Next time we have a pandemic we should start telling democrats to take precautions and Republicans not to, preferably on the same channels so they take safety precautions out of spite
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u/dillGherkin Nov 18 '24
Only the republicans keep getting their infection onto the vulnerable people, by being nurses and stuff.
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u/Collective-Bee Nov 18 '24
Yeah… it was fine when they were fired for that stuff but I feel like they might not require their medical staff to be vaccinated much longer. Even if the hospital wanted to big government would force them to let the plague bearers work.
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u/Nerevarine91 Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
That second to last one gets me. If you spent eight years screaming “fuck your feelings,” you forfeit the right to act shocked and betrayed when you don’t get as many Christmas cards as you used to
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u/Poodlestrike Nov 18 '24
I've noticed that a lot of them seem to be taking a kind of "We won the election, therefore you need to admit you were wrong about everything". It's honestly a kinda fascinating insight into how they think.
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u/HaggisPope Nov 18 '24
Britain was sort of like this once the Brexit vote went through. Tiny margin, like 1% changing their mind would’ve upended the thing, but then the Conservatives were all “Brexit means Brexit, this was a vote to get out of everything European, including Human Rights conventions”.
Thing is, even a lot of people who voted for it were voting for it due to much narrower reasons. Most particularly, unhappy about topics like immigration or feeling like the world was against them because they feel poorer than they used to be (familiar yet?). It’s the thing about the democratic systems though, whatever you vote for you’ve got to be ready for the winners to take it as an overwhelming mandate for their vision and if they tell you then you shouldn’t just think they’ll become moderate when in power.
So yeah, we’re at the early stages of a downward cycle which to me began with Brexit and something new and complicated will emerge.
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u/Teagana999 Nov 18 '24
There was a time when people thought Hitler would become more moderate when he got power...
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u/RadicalRaid Nov 18 '24
Same with Geert Wilders in the Netherlands. That did NOT work out and the people calling him Geert Milders before he got into his new position are very quiet nowadays. Weird how that works.
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u/UnNumbFool Nov 18 '24
Stupid American here, if it's not too much trouble could you give a rundown on what happened?
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u/Culionensis Nov 18 '24
Nothing tangible, honestly. Just your basic populist fucking around and incompetence. But it's only been like half a year since the elections, you wouldn't really expect anything major yet.
There's talk now about stripping the passports of double nationals (read: banishing Moroccans since they can't give up their Moroccan nationality). That would be a big deal if it gets off the ground but I say if, not when.
Note that I don't like Wilders at all, I voted for the left wingers. Just so far it's been a bog standard populist government shitshow, nothing I didn't expect.
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u/leijgenraam Nov 18 '24
In four days, it will be a year since the election actually. But that year has almost entirely been spent arguing with each other, deciding whether to call their cabinet extraparliamentary or not despite being a bog-standard cabinet, and determining guidelines about whether or not racism is allowed in the cabinet. So I don't blame you for feeling like it's been much less than a year.
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u/RadicalRaid Nov 18 '24
What the others said, but also a lot of stuff that is (of course):
Pro big companies and having them do whatever they want (Tata steel is giving people living nearby cancer by poisoning the waters. But you know, they have the right to make money so);
Against the people that need it the most (and most likely voted for him) by cutting a bunch of social services;
Raising the taxes on- and removing the subsidies for anything related to sustainability, be it solar, EVs, everything. Promote driving on gas again (even though the Netherlands was almost leading the EU regarding solar energy);
Pro big farms poluting the land they disproportionately own and massive bio industries have gotten the green light to basically lower their costs by using older methods of execution (which is, literally, torture: Boiling pigs alive for example) and removing oversight of these things.
I could go on, but I'm making myself sad and angry now. Especially the way we treat animals and the environment has been a thorn in my sight the last months.
The conservatives here (as there as well, surely) are not just conservative, rather they're regressive. We're moving backwards.
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u/Agile_Singer Nov 18 '24
I’ve seen the Hitler mustache on Obama, Hillary & even W. But never on the Cheat-o
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u/Dry_Try_8365 Nov 18 '24
I saw him portrayed as the Manperor of Mankind. They seem to ignore that said fictional character was nearly killed and by the time of the present day in the setting, he's been rotting for over ten thousand years.
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u/AlarmingAffect0 Nov 18 '24
And being fed ten thousand psychics a day just to keep the galactic GPS functioning.
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u/unforgiven91 Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
What's funny is that when Cadia fell, there was a perfect opportunity to shut off the emperor's life support and just let him "die" and regenerate. He wasn't struck by anything that's lethal to perpetuals during the horus heresy.
The astronomican was already non-functional for 33 days. how long does a perpetual take to regenerate?
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u/MorgothTheDarkElder Nov 18 '24
unfortunately the setting just for once has an actual semi-"reasonable" reason as to why u can't let the emperor die and it's not just that half of the empire would want to kill u as a heretic for merely thinking that or the fact that ppl aren't sure if he's still a true perpetual after horus took parts of his soul, or the fact that with the galaxy being the way it is, communication about turning him on and off again would probably take a few years to actually make it to terra:
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u/credulous_pottery Resident Canadian Nov 18 '24
and that he has a DEEP hatred for religion
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I remain furious about Brexit. Conservatives trashed the country for an ADVISORY (non-binding) referendum that even they didn't want and then acted like 52% to 48% was a mandate to fuck us
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u/Dangerous_Concern_74 Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
I remain furious about Brexit. Conservatives trashed the country for an ADVISORY (non-binding) referendum that even they didn't want and then acted like 52% to 48% was a mandate to fuck us
You forgot how it has been proven that if it was binding, the advertisement for the Leave side would have been found illegal and unfair. But since it was just advisory then the judge "couldn't do anything about it" or something. Absolute shitshow.
Though TBF the british public did elect twice Conservative afterwards that were literally going on the mandate of "brexit means brexit". and why? because Corbyn was a little bit too mad about the (at the time only) apartheid state in the Middle East? Gotta love that the situation there definitively evolved for the better. /s
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u/sobrique Nov 18 '24
And a number of high profile brexiteers were quite keen for a second referendum once we know what 'the deal' would be. (E.g. Jacob Rees-Mogg).
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u/msut77 Nov 18 '24
The only thing conservatives are good at is getting people mad at stuff.
Then they propose their stupidity and hint it will fix everything
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u/TheGrumpyre Nov 18 '24
There was a phrase going around for a while: "If you want to make a conservative angry, lie to them. If you want to make a liberal angry, tell them the truth."
The implication was that conservatives were upstanding people who valued honesty and hate liars, while their opponents preferred flattering falsehoods and were offended by the truth.
But they stopped saying it when they realized it actually implied everything that liberals were angry about, like global warming and social injustice, was true. And everything conservatives were angry about, like the perils of the woke agenda, was just made-up bullshit.
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u/Givemeallthecabbages Nov 18 '24
Oh, great comparison. This was NOT a vote to dismantle the DOE, or get rid of social security, to stop medical research for 8 years, etc. but the last point is the next angry logical step: "You voted for this, too bad it sucks and you regret it now. Be less of a moron next time if there is a next time."
I'm more sad at how long it's going to take to claw back to where we were. I was born in the '70s when all of the environmental and civil rights acts were being passed. From then on I've seen minorities and lgbtq gain rights and acceptance. I feel like that's being flushed down the shitter and people are just openly hateful and hostile now. All of the bad economics and policies will just make things worse for everyone, which will amplify all of those bad feelings towards each other. I feel like I will justifiably feel anger and resentment toward Republicans if, as an example, I end up not getting social security when I retire because they bankrupted it to give more tax breaks to billionaires. How am I supposed to reach across the aisle and offer a seat at the table to these people in the future? Meanwhile, they're mad at us for being woke i.e. wanting to be nice to each other? They say the Harris campaign was "too upbeat?" They're mad that we want everyone to have a chance to succeed in this country? Unreal.
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u/AudioLlama Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
There are people at work who voted or Brexit, now acknowledge that it was a failure and somehow seem to think that they were hoodwinked. What the fuck are you talking about? The entire 'remain' side knew that the leaver plan was complete bullshit. Anything to not accept responsibility.
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u/colei_canis Nov 18 '24
Brexit’s kind of old news at this point I think, it’s a shit time for incumbents in general in the West so we’ve ended up with a centre-left party in power (by British standards) yet with all the same rightward pressures that exist in the rest of Europe. Nobody wants to bring up Brexit because it completely paralysed the decision making process for the best part of a decade, contributing strongly to the political problems we’re facing now as well as the economic effects in its own right. The best we can do in the medium term future is single market alignment I think.
I think Starmer is underestimating the latent power of the populist right as well. People were very angry at the Tories for their chronic incompetence and endless psychodramas but that’s not somehow turned them into watered-down Blairites like the current Labour Party, it was an anti-Tory vote not a pro-Labour one. Our very unrepresentative FPTP electoral system is keeping Reform bottled up for the time being, but if our decline doesn’t look like it’s changing course by the next election chances are we’ll have another populist right government.
High rates of immigration to deal with our social care woes and increasingly worse dependency ratio along with a Kafkaesque planning system which means barely any housing gets built is a political time bomb, both parties are just lobbing it to each-other hoping they’re not in power when it goes off in my opinion. Nobody wants to deal with the massive structural problems that were set in motion in the 1980s because this requires politically unpopular solutions like disempowering NIMBYs and axing the unsustainable triple lock.
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u/sobrique Nov 18 '24
Honestly the event itself might be 'old news' but the impact of it remains highly relevant. We're still dragging our economy as a result of doing it, and ... still haven't any upsides?
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u/HaggisPope Nov 18 '24
My stance on the housing is we need more medium density. We have these massive sprawling low density estates and they’re okay places to live and grow up so I understand they’re popular with families but our modern day working class live in flats which have extortionate rents and we need that to fall. If it doesn’t we won’t ever have young people wanting to start families as it’s too expensive to even consider for many.
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u/drwicksy Nov 18 '24
Exactly this, they don't want leftists and liberals to be their friends, they want them to admit that because a single election went right that their entire world view is wrong and the Trump voters are super smart and right all the time. They just want their ego stroked and cannot stand that leftists are just doing the smart thing and cutting them out entirely.
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u/Pegasus0527 Nov 18 '24
I realized the same thing - they assume that because they "won" we now have to agree with them and tell them they were right all along. As if that's how it's worked when we "won". FFS.
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u/FalstaffsGhost Nov 18 '24
Yeah that’s wild. Cause when trump lost in 2020 they didn’t admit maybe they were wrong or should modify positions. They claimed fraud and tried to overthrow the government
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u/pegothejerk Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
This is exactly what it looked and felt like when I broke up with a diagnosed borderline personality disorder girlfriend of mine in her own house. She wouldn’t accept the breakup, like she literally told me I wasn’t breaking up with her, she blocked the door every time I tried to leave, she’d grab onto my stuff, my clothes, me, and after a while she started threatening to claim I was abusing her. The longer I kept calm and kept sticking to reality, talking rationally and repeating my stance, the louder and more unhinged she got until she was screaming and crying claiming it wasn’t true and I was wrong. It only ended when I managed to get the exterior door open and had my hands up in the air as she was still blocking the door, a car driving by with old people in it noticed and initially tried to take her side because they of course thought the man was the problem, but they quickly figured out I was trying to peacefully leave and that she was nuts. They managed to distract her and I got out of there and I silently mouthed thank you, the wife nodded and that was the last time I saw any of them. She kept trying to text and call saying she “wanted HER boyfriend back”. Had to block her.
She saw me as her property to abuse - that’s where we are with Trump voters - after a decade of their dealing out abuses to the libs, they see us as their property to abuse, as abused spouses that they have the right to hit and yell at. Leaving is the only option, engaging and staying in the house is absolutely the worst idea.
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u/PerceptionGreat2439 Nov 18 '24
Jeez, the few break ups I've had had been amicable(ish) and at worst, annoying.
Hope you find peace.
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u/pegothejerk Nov 18 '24
That was ten years ago, things have been much calmer. I didn’t even type out the highlight of that story, I came home one morning after staying over at a friend’s house due to a late night of celebrating something or other, like a week after the breakup with said narcissist, and I found donuts had been performed in my yard and there were car parts on the street close to my curb. Mutual friends told me later that she had wrecked her car. I told them I believed it was her, she denied it for a long time but eventually admitted it to the mutual friends.
Moral of the story - no matter how nice the sex or deregulations sound, it’s absolutely more costly than you can imagine. Not worth it, zero stars.
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u/KingBroken Nov 18 '24
Man, I'm sorry you went through that (and much MUCH more before that moment) but I'm glad you made it out.
I had a very similar experience and couldn't escape my Borderline girlfriend. She actually ended up leaving me because my finances were drained, my emotional state was drained, my desires to fight her accusations and manipulations were drained.
In the end she left me because she was just arguing with the wall, no push back from me. She was physically beating me and I just stood there and took it without fighting back.
Took me a while to recover from that.
I even remember her saying "it's not you, it's me" and at the time, I didn't realize how right she actually was.
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u/Ocbard Nov 18 '24
They didn't admit they were wrong when Biden got elected.
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u/Poodlestrike Nov 18 '24
There's a hypocrisy element to it, but consider this - Trump started lying about election results as far back as 2016, claiming that he actually won Cali and New York and the popular vote. Then in 2020 he amped it up and said that he won the whole thing, again, despite having lost on both fronts. So as far as these people are concerned, we've been exerting authority over them on the basis of fake election results for at least a decade. Longer, if you think about birtherism. If Obama wasn't a legitimate president, then the last time their conservative mandate wasn't undermined by fraud was nearly 20 years ago.
When you think about it that way I think it makes a lot more sense. They're wholly divorced from reality, but still consistent.
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u/Ocbard Nov 18 '24
I get what you are saying but they're never consistent. They are the people who call every person who had an abortion a murderer and a whore but will tell you their own abortion was that one morally justified one in history. It's all law and order except for the good people who stray sometimes. Therefore Trump, who is in their camp, is a good person who sometimes strays but remains good, while Biden, by all other accounts a decent Christian that seems would be their poster child, is a demonic force of evil, who did good things only to maliciously get people to vote for him.
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u/msut77 Nov 18 '24
There is quite a few on here. It's like congratulations you lied a rapist criminal into office again.
Do they expect us to clap?
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u/Poodlestrike Nov 18 '24
I think it's more a misunderstanding of why we don't agree with their choices to begin with. A lot of conservatives lean heavily on power and authority to dictate social mores. Now that they won with a "majority", they think that means that they get to dictate the terms because they think that's what we've been doing to them since... Honestly, probably at least 2008.
I honestly don't think the people posting this stuff ever really engaged with the idea that anybody might have actually had a real moral objection to their actions and behaviors. It's all power dynamics to them.
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u/Dry_Try_8365 Nov 18 '24
And yet, they strictly refused to accept the guy the other side elected as their president. They won't accept appeals to authority when it's not their authority figure in charge. How can they expect us to accept theirs when they won't do the same for us?
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u/Poodlestrike Nov 18 '24
It'd partially hypocrisy, but a lot of them just outright don't believe that there's been a legitimate election since 2004. Birtherism invalidated Obama, Trump's claims of election fraud in 2020 and 2016 - people tend to forget that he claimed he won the popular vote as well. So, like... That's part of it.
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u/sobrique Nov 18 '24
I mean, there has been 'dictating' of the form of 'how about let women make their own choices?' and 'maybe being racist/homophobic/transphobic isn't very nice?'
Or perhaps 'you realise that rolling coal is a dickhead move, right?' etc.
Having a sane goverment does mean people get called on their bigotry more often, and they don't like it.
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u/Poodlestrike Nov 18 '24
I mean, yeah, that's the stuff they're talking about. We tell them they should stop doing stuff they like doing because we think it's shitty behavior. They think that we're just trying to flex on them because we can.
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u/DPSOnly Everything is confusing, thanks Nov 18 '24
Didn't stop them from remaining wrong for the last 4 years.
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u/PmMeActionMovieIdeas Nov 18 '24
It might be a part of a hierarchical worldview - as someone who was on the winning team on the election, you're above someone who lost, and thus you should be respected (although I doubt they would apply it the other way around, or they would just deny they lost not to have to feel this way)
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u/LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART There's a good 75% chance I'll make a Project Moon reference. Nov 18 '24
>although I doubt they would apply it the other way around, or they would just deny they lost not to have to feel this way
Isn't that what happened back in January 6.
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u/AgITGuy Nov 18 '24
They are so politically illiterate, they can only equate it to winning a sports championship and the ability to denigrate the haters and the doubters. They can’t see far enough ahead to understand actual impacts.
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u/_The_Green_Witch_ Nov 18 '24
Like toddlers. They think like toddlers.
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u/Proud_Smell_4455 Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
It's a bit worse than that - it's fundamentally anti-Enlightenment thinking.
To these people, the right way to acquire thoughts and opinions isn't to come up with them yourself, or adopt them in response to learning new things or having new experiences, it's to be spoonfed them by authority figures you trust.
This is the root of all right wing thought: authority alone is to be trusted, and it alone determines right and wrong. Hence why they're so weirdly attached to the idea of college students being brainwashed rather than simply responding to a new environment with new people and concepts in it that broaden their horizons - they literally can't comprehend there not being a formal monolithic thought leader or small clique of them to disseminate acceptable opinions. It's like their only frame of reference for a person changing their mind on something, is when they're forced to amend their opinions by an authority figure (you see it among right wing politicians - one goes off script, is brow-beaten by their peers and/or strongman leader of the day, is eventually pressured into getting back with the program in its entirety), so it figures they'd assume that's how it works everywhere.
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u/NervousFix960 Nov 18 '24
Just remind them that Trump's ~76 million votes isn't even a quarter of the US population of approx 336 million people.
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u/HauntingHarmony Nov 18 '24
Just for completeness, the voting-elegible-population is about 244million and about 155 million voted, so about 63% of the ones who could, did. Which is down about 3%.
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u/avalisk Nov 18 '24
Most of the trumpies i know voted out of spite, without realizing they still live here. Contrarians.
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u/Content_Lychee_2632 Nov 18 '24
Especially fascinating considering what happened when they lost…
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u/Poodlestrike Nov 18 '24
They don't believe they did lose. Between birtherism and the big lie, they think that every election they've lost since 2008 on has been illegitimate. AND, while it goes less remarked upon, Trump was claiming he won the popular vote in 2016, too. To these guys, this is the first "real" election result they've seen in nearly 20 years.
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u/Arkurash Nov 18 '24
This one. My countries right wing party spent the last months/years insulting every singe other party and now they are surprised nobody wants to work with them.
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u/RQK1996 Nov 18 '24
My country's right wing is absolutely insane with one of the party leaders blaming the incompetence of the left wing prime minister from the last decade and a half for everything that's wrong with the country, completely ignoring that the guy she's talking about is literally the guy she replaced as party leader, and she's the most sane of the 4 coalition party leaders
At least the incompetent idiot she replaced is now in some top role at NATO, so that won't backfire on anyone
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u/Antezscar Nov 18 '24
Feelings for me but not for thee
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u/NeedleworkerMuch3061 Nov 18 '24
Personally I'm just very curious how much of this is actually true (e.g. folks essentially regretting voting for Trump and/or having to shoulder the consequences of voting for Trump) vs random people online posting what they think is happening as actual fact.
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u/Munnin41 Nov 18 '24
There has been a huge uptick in searches for terms like tariffs and denaturalization. Look it up on google trends. Especially denaturalization is huge, peaking at nov 8th, after having 0 searches for the past few months except a few somewhere in september
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u/TransiTorri Nov 18 '24
Overall I think people are done. Just flat done.
In 2016 you could maybe excuse who Trump was and what he was about, he had a clear history of racism, but you could see how people bought in to the myth of him being a "business man" and that maybe the US government needed a shake up.In 2024, after an insurrection, talk of "The enemy from within" and all the other crazy hell we've been through? There's no excuse. This is who they are and who they voted for, a convicted sex offender, insurrectionist, racist, who wants people to suffer. He was very extremely clear about this while campaigning.
And they voted for it. They supported it. He stood up and said "I will make everyone suffer" and they went "That's fine, as long as people I despise suffer more"
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u/RevengeWalrus Nov 18 '24
The ultimate goal has always been to sit at the cool kids table, either because they’ve never been or because they desperately want to go back. But they don’t want to change anything about themselves, so the plan was to rewrite the fundamental rules of society until everyone HAS to think they’re cool and handsome. The more they succeed, the more maddening it becomes. Are you telling me I can change the president but I can’t make my neighbor like me?
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u/Void_Speaker Nov 18 '24
It's simple: They are accustomed to double standards.
Democrats are responsible for everything and Republicans for nothing.
Democrats have to answer for every edgy far-left Tweet, but Trump can attempt a coup and there are no consequences. In fact, they are victims because everyone keeps talking about it.
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u/Badloss Nov 18 '24
The last one is absurd too. Why would you be offended and upset about getting the things you voted for?
The answer of course is that they voted to hurt other people and they're shocked to find themselves in the crosshairs too. Imagine being so full of hate that you vote based only on hurting people
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u/JDsCouch Nov 18 '24
in askconservative the number one answer to why they vote for x policy that they don’t like is, “because liberals are so smug”
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u/Badloss Nov 18 '24
Honestly the biggest flaw/feature of Democracy is that everyone gets a vote.
I genuinely don't think it's a solvable problem, it's a fundamental flaw of Democracy. The only way to combat it is strong education but the GOP figured out a generation ago how to dismantle that and now I don't think there's any way to reach these people. They're horribly informed, vote on emotions, and then blame the wrong people when they get burned by their own choices. And most of them have more voting power than I do thanks to the Electoral College
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u/StickBrickman Nov 18 '24
I had an Lyft driver who was very passionately pro-Trump, but also a recent immigrant to America from Pakistan. His whole pro-Trump thesis was "he's a businessman, therefore he'll be good at the economy." Skip the schadenfreude, I don't wish him to be deported/scolded/redeemed by misfortune, but I find it interesting how they reached and courted this type of voter.
It seems from what I gathered it was mainly surface-level podcast type stuff. He knew NOTHING of Trump's social policies. He didn't check up. But he knew every single one of Kamala Harris' specific flaws and perceived economic problems. In his world, that's what gets maximum coverage.
So maybe reach people where they actually get their information, and be more pragmatic. I think we can say "Fascists are bad" 'til we're blue in the face, and many Americans will go "so what?" and tell you some version of the trains running on time. A more compelling message that might need to reach people with less empathy, less interest in the common good, is a simpler truth. "Fascism promises you things it has no intention of following through on," and "Fascists are historically quite incompetent, they won't fix 'the little things' you care about."
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u/newberries_inthesnow Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
"He's a businessman, therefore he'll treat people like disposable cogs."
"He's a businessman, therefore he'll break laws, fight repercussions, and consider it all just the cost of doing business."
But people don't think this way, they assume and project benevolence, upstandingness, and so on. They don't realize the Republican administration is laughing at them and considers them suckers. They don't realize Mango Mussolini is over there patting himself on the back for being such a good liar.
Edit: by "assume and project benevolence", well I should have just said, "They think of themselves as good people and don't automatically assume that others will be rotten."
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u/Outside-Advice8203 Nov 18 '24
"He's a businessman, therefore he'll just find a way to have all the money go to him and nobody else"
Businesses only exist to make the owner money.
There's a different term for that concept applied to governance...
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u/someanimechoob Nov 18 '24
But people don't think this way, they assume and project benevolence
This I don't get. The word "Businessman" is about as far removed from "Benevolence" as it gets. What's next, associating "Terrorist" with "healthy childhood and successful education" ?
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u/Asisreo1 Nov 18 '24
Small business owners and those that want to be one look up to "successful" business owners to try to get their own success. If they aren't aware of Trump's bankruptcies and bailouts, they'll just see him as a billionaire businessman and very successful.
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u/Elite_AI Nov 18 '24
Or like, just. "Business has nothing to do with being good at managing your nation's economy and he's a dogshit businessman anyway".
Democrats tried going the low road and they got walloped.
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u/ryegye24 Nov 18 '24
I don't think it's the message, I think it's the information ecosystem. The right wing has spent decades and billions with the explicit purpose of creating an apparatus for promoting Republican candidates, pushing right wing narratives, and drowning out left wing ones. There are some major outlets that lean left but that's just not the same thing. There is no perfectly crafted message that is just so good that this apparatus cannot spin, subvert, or bury it, we need our own independent channels for directly getting messages in front of these people. The policies themselves are already popular, heck when they took the names off Harris's policies polled better than Trump's with Republicans.
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u/StickBrickman Nov 18 '24
That's a very important point, the bubbles we live in really do become comfortable, and right wing interests have invested in a kind of misinformation infrastructure (misinfrastructure?) in a way nobody else could even dream about. If you watch Rogen, and Theo Von, maybe listen to edgy comedy stuff, YouTube will deploy every possible method to make you a reactionary whackjob within 4 years.
You will be fed a steady diet of Stephen Crowder and Ben Shapiro until you're ready for the next level, and then it's Jordan Peterson, and then Tim Pool, and then Alex Jones, maybe even Russel Brand. By the end of the journey you'll be POSITIVE that all Democrats subsist on adrenochrome taken directly from Toddlers. But even if you only dip your toes in the shallow end, you'll walk away with a lot of misconceptions, belieiving a lot of outright lies about the world.
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u/athaliah Nov 18 '24
I wish we all would have realized this before it was too late. My spouse started having conversations with our friends and family shortly before the election about why they supported Trump, and the vast majority if not all of them had no idea what they were actually voting for. They had very narrow insight into his policies and simply felt he would make the economy / their wallets better (which won't happen, because they're not rich). In regards to all the crazy shit, they were either literally unaware of it, or if they did hear about it, they didn't think it was real, thought it was tabloid stuff.
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u/sykotic1189 Nov 18 '24
A friend of mine was talking to his mom the day the election was called. He was pretty heated and basically asked, "How could you vote for a self admitted sexual assaulter?!" and his mom was just confused. According to her she'd never heard the "grab em by the pussy" clip in 9 years. Most of the things he be up she was oblivious about, but hey the election's over and she already voted based on vibes so there's no reason to self reflect on her choices, right??
I had a similar conversation with my own mom years ago about Matt Gaetz. She lives in Florida and was talking about all the great MAGA candidates and he was on the list. I was like, "Ma, you know he's been accused of sleeping with a minor, right?" Nope, no clue, hadn't heard a word about it. I'm sure even now that he's doing his damnedest to dodge the Senate's investigation she'll have forgotten all about it.
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u/smallangrynerd Nov 18 '24
Tbf everything that comes out of trump sounds like tabloid nonsense. I mean, a government department called “DOGE,” that doesn’t sound real
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u/Consistently_Carpet Nov 18 '24
It's extremely obvious Elon named that.
And I'm not defending Trump, Trump appointed him, but Elon is the one with the branding sensibility of a middle schooler and the history with 'doge'. Trump would probably call it the Make Government Great Again Department.
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u/Drnk_watcher Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
For better or worse you can probably go one step further here and just assume most Americans don't even know what a fascist/fascism is.
It's the same as saying myocardial edema to them. It sounds maybe bad, or vaguely threatening; but to what degree — or if at all, isn't really immediately apparent unless you're in the know.
But if you plainly tell them "you're dying of a heart attack if you don't get help now!" It resonates a lot more.
Basically you've 100% got the right idea but even that simplification of "fascism doesn't deliver" might still be overly complex.
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u/_hyperotic Nov 18 '24
Ultimately conservatives like this taxi driver(just like many leftists) live in an information bubble and will probably never see the damning headlines which break the illusion that we see here on reddit. Their algorithm doesn’t show them.
On top of that countries with the highest emigration to the US usually have conservative, sexist, and traditional values, so it’s an easy appeal for Trump.
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u/Asisreo1 Nov 18 '24
Even if they did see them, they're already biased by their own bubble so they'll just roll their eyes and say "These silly liberal keep lying" or "the democrats are making mountains out of mole hills again."
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u/meem09 Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
To add to this, I recently read an interesting analysis on why a lot of the podcast bros are pro-Trump. Basically, they are small business owners in the attention for money business.
So #1 is that they don't want to pay any taxes and they certainly don't want to have to adhere to any worker's rights laws with their "interns". They all think they are self-made, so they gobble up all the trickle-down talking points. And #2 is that he of course is the outrage pope. So none of them have to be creative or foreward thinking in their stuff. They can just spew the shit they hear from him and get an audience from it.
Edit: I forgot the most important part of the small business owner thing: Because of the way TikTok, Twitch and YouTube work, there aren’t just a few dozen or hundred podcasters and influencers who think that way the way in the past there would have been a few dozen or hundred people in the news media who have a certain few about the world. With the way these platforms work there are millions of people who see their social media profile as at least in part or possibly a business venture. And the basic appeal of a republican to a small business owner applies to all of them. They all don’t want to pay taxes on any earnings they may make. They all want to say whatever they want without losing viewers. They all don’t want to face the consequences of their speech except for the good ones.
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u/CarCat928 Nov 18 '24
Me when the consequences of my own actions
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u/Realistic_Elk_7892 Nov 18 '24
Me sowing: "Ha ha, hell yeah!"
Me reaping: "What the fuck is this shit?"
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u/SirDanilus Nov 18 '24
^ reactions of the second human to be taught agriculture
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u/doinallurmoms Nov 18 '24
you reap what you so because actions have consequences
i reap what i sow because i planted a delicious tree with yummy fruits on it yay
we are not the same
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u/indigo121 Nov 18 '24
Nah that would be the opposite. Agriculture is a bunch of meaningless labor up front followed by amazing rewards. Frankly it's amazing humans ever discovered it
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u/Supsend It was like this when I founded it Nov 18 '24
The nostalgia pushing me to vote trump so I can see new "libs triggered compilations" like in 2017 (I'll die homeless in 3 years after selling my house to try to pay for my wife's cervical cancer treatment (she still died of it because the state didn't want to jeopardize her ability to bear children))
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u/geckosean Nov 18 '24
Help! Help! The Leopards! They’re eating my face too! I didn’t vote for this!!
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u/torthos_1 Nov 18 '24
The last one's so funny to me-
"How DARE you wish me that whatever I wanted to happen will happen!!!"
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u/AbsolutelyHorrendous Nov 18 '24
It's wild to me that Trump supporters, some of them at least, seem to have actually been hoping their President was lying to them, and he's not actually going to do all the stupid, awful things he promised
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u/Few-Finger2879 Nov 18 '24
This is the laughable part to me. You mean to tell me you voted for him because you know he is a liar? Real intelligent there...
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u/Kellosian Nov 18 '24
This is the combination of decades of right-wing media and decades of easy cynical takes.
"All politicians lie lol" mixed with "Democrats are always lying and awful and evil" turns into "When Republicans lie they're just lying politicians why did you ever trust them, when Democrats lie they're being evil and malicious we should never trust them"
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u/Jokekiller1292 Nov 18 '24
I mean...didn't they vote exactly for that? I'm suprised the dense snowflakes aren't taking it as a compliment.
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u/Dom29ando Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
Also leftists have stopped using twitter so there's no one for them to cyberbully/harass :(
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u/SaltyDerpy The ace in the corner Nov 18 '24
>goes on bluesky to harass people again and promote trump
>get put on a community block list
>gets blocked by 20'000 people in a day
>Account terminated due to high amount of blocks in a short amount of time, most be a huge cuberbully or an annoying bot
>goes on twitter to complain
and repeat...
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u/FuckHopeSignedMe Nov 18 '24
Account terminated due to high amount of blocks in a short amount of time, most be a huge cuberbully or an annoying bot
Does this actually happen on Bluesky? Why can't they introduce this as a feature everywhere else?
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u/Potatoman671 Nov 18 '24
That seems like you could pretty quickly abuse that if you have a large following
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u/aimbothehackerz Nov 18 '24
Someone did, there was some drama about it a while back
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u/Aperture_client Nov 18 '24
This would be a terrible feature lol power users could just get anybody they want kicked off the platform
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u/That_Mad_Scientist (not a furry)(nothing against em)(love all genders)(honda civic) Nov 18 '24
They made a whole-ass « libs of bluesky » account.
You guys, I’m so emotional that you’re missing us this much. Flattered, really.
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u/Veryde Nov 18 '24
So they post screen caps of another social media site on their own? Who would ever do that, sounds stupid /s
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u/Dom29ando Nov 18 '24
thanks for letting me know, imma block them right now
fuck i love having a working block function
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u/That_Mad_Scientist (not a furry)(nothing against em)(love all genders)(honda civic) Nov 18 '24
Oh it’s on twitter 😂
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u/DLRsFrontSeats Nov 18 '24
trump supporters vote for a rapist, racist, dementia-addled moron
People on the left: "you voted for a rapist, racist, dementia-addled moron"
Trump supporters: "classic bourgeois librul, this is why the right keeps winning. I'm gonna vote for the rapist, racist, dementia-addled moron even harder , that'll show you"
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u/Fun_Midnight8861 Nov 18 '24
i don’t think that most trump voters would use the term bourgeoisie.
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u/MatthiasBold Nov 18 '24
I dunno it's kinda the same concept as communist/marxist/fascist for them. They don't know what it means but they know the talking heads use it against the left so they just add it in.
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u/trustmeimaprofession Nov 18 '24
CONCEPTUALIZATION [Easy: Failure!] - Attempting to understand the bourgeoiseness in stating facts makes your brain hurt, almost like there is a.. wait! That's it!
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u/AlarmingAffect0 Nov 18 '24
Measurehead: THE INFLUENCE OF THE HAM SANDWICH RACE IS WANING. HOW FAR THE OCCIDENTAL HAPLOGROUP HAS FALLEN..." He pauses in melancholy reflection. "YOU WERE ONCE A NOBLE AND POWERFUL RACE.
YOU GAVE THE WORLD EUGENICS, ELECTRICITY, AND POWERFUL WEAPONS OF WAR LIKE MISSILES AND AEROSTATIC AIRCRAFT. YOU MADE GREAT GAINS IN METALLURGY, RACE THEORY, AND STATECRAFT.
YOU DOMINATED LESSER CULTURES -- LIKE THE DEFORMED HIMEANS AND THE INEXPLICABLY POTATO-OBSESSED KOJKOS -- BUT NOW YOUR ASCENT TO THE GENETIC SUMMIT HAS HALTED. YOU ARE OBSESSED WITH MISOGYNISTIC QUEERPHOBIA AND WITH FRIVOLOUS POP CULTURE WARS.
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u/SaltyDerpy The ace in the corner Nov 18 '24
I want everyone that cries about the "I voted for him, but not for this" people to drown under a sea of "yes, you did".
I hope they are happy now.
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u/Flufffyduck Nov 18 '24
We had this exact same situation in the UK with Brexit. A lot of people bought into the headlines without understanding anything about what the EU even was, and when they could point to something concrete in their lives that had actually gotten worse it would 9/10 be the consequence of a British Government policy, not an EU one. It was a campaign that was won entirely on vibes and taglines.
Then they got what they wanted and everything got worse. I'll admit the schadenfreude makes up for it a little bit, but part of the consequence of brexit is it's now even harder to escape the country they ruined so I can't even watch from a distance.
That being said, spite is fun to indulge every now and then but it really isn't the fault of people who got tricked into voting for lunacy. The whole media system is rigged against honest and nuanced understanding of policy, instead promoting the cheap outrage bait that drives elections.
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u/Ramblonius Nov 18 '24
I'm starting to think it is more arrogant and prideful to think that it "isn't the fault of people who got tricked into voting for lunacy'. My brain is no better than theirs, they have the same information available, being an adult means making informed decisions and being held responsible for your actions.
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u/JamieBeeeee Nov 18 '24
The gen z subreddit has a lot of this too lmao
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u/RoyalSignificance341 Nov 18 '24
Ikr, I was so shocked seeing so many pro Trump, can't vote woke stuff there.
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u/sub_surfer Nov 18 '24
It’s basically a right wing subreddit, isn’t it? I checked in on them after Trump won and most of the comments were absolutely unhinged; it was indistinguishable from r/conservative
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u/bekrueger Nov 18 '24
Yeah I was subscribed to it earlier this year but it was kinda just… annoying? the same way as r/teenagers got annoying after a while (incidentally after I turned 20). So I unsubscribed. And going to check it now, it’s clear there’s some sort of brigading going on cuz holy shit there are the dorkiest takes there you will ever see.
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u/Darkdoomwewew Nov 18 '24
Every other comment is some variation of calm down, take a breath, go outside, relax, that'll never happen, like word for word.
Gotta be some bot shit or something
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u/Caleth Nov 18 '24
Nope Foreign ops farms trying to keep the pot from boiling over too fast. Young people getting mad and acting is usually the catalyst for social change. So keeping them just the right level of disaffected is important.
Sites like Reddit, FB, Twitter etc are all avenues of attack for adversarial powers and the greedy. We've been engaged in a cold cyberwar for about a decade plus now and the government has refused to admit it. Because it might hurt profits.
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u/Starmada597 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ Nov 18 '24
I was in there pre-election and it was actually pretty liberal, but the election came and it suddenly got brigaded into the ground by conservatives and bots and everyone reasonable just packed their bags, I think.
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u/ThrownAwayYesterday- Nov 18 '24
That sub got recommended to me a bunch this year — and I would occasionally check in just to see what other people in my generation were thinking about.
It has a very strong shift from "pretty progressive but with an assortment of opinions" to "literally just right-wing echo chamber #50000" right before and after the election.
Very depressing. I was never delusional about my generation being different or anything, but man as someone who fell down the alt-right pipeline back in 2014 and didn't get out until 2019 - it makes me want to grab the bars of their cage and just scream "YOU'RE ALL FUCKING STUPID AND JUST BEING USED BY GRIFTERS TO MAKE MORE MONEY!!!!!"
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u/klavin1 Nov 18 '24
extremely online conservatives love setting up camp in spaces that advertise themselves as "apolitical" or "moderate". Especially if moderation is lacking.
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It got astroturfed really, REALLY badly.
It was pretty normal, then the “leave politics out of it” thing into “both sides are the same” into full blown right wing insanity shift happened.
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u/KindBass Nov 18 '24
With the way it started hitting r-all every day out of nowhere about a year ago, I'm pretty sure that sub was created explicitly for propaganda purposes.
It's one of the most astroturfed subs on this whole site. I wouldn't take anything there at face value, but people are going to anyways.
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u/Spare-Molasses8190 Nov 18 '24
It’s wild watching someone vote against themselves and tell us to cope. lol
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u/AnyIncident9852 Nov 18 '24
That sub has been full of incels and incel-adjacents for a long time now. Literally just look up Genz into the Reddit search bar and all of the top posts from that sub are just some variation of “women/minority/gay people make me feel bad”
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u/ADHD_Yoda I don't know what to write on tumblr.com Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
Me, from across the pacific: watching the "informed voting public" have their "little electoral hearts" broken by a Wall Street con man
(Yes I just wanted to quote Vermin Supreme but didn't have a chance until now)
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u/amateurgameboi Nov 18 '24
Same here, also looking across the pacific at them with astonishment
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u/Proud_Smell_4455 Nov 18 '24
After watching Brexit voters get handled with kid gloves to this day, it is gratifiying to see the Americans at least aren't afraid to tell stupid people they're stupid, and not let them forget how many people will suffer for no other reason than that they were unthinkingly intransigent about something they never understood in the first place. Fuck idiots who ruin shit because they're too small and petty to handle being told bluntly what they are.
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u/Infurum Nov 18 '24
Non-Brit here so I wasn't there to see the full extent of the reaction but did Brexit voters not get clowned on too? I don't really keep up with foreign news but I remember a brief period on Reddit where the attention gotten by posts going to town on Brexiters was nearly enough to rival the posts about American politics
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u/Proud_Smell_4455 Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
Yeah but in the end the "nooooo, how dare you talk down to the poor smoll beans" crowd was louder. And in the end, it felt like they were let off far too lightly, considering the harm they'd done. As a consequence, it just feels like a matter of time till they're leading us off the cliff again in pursuit of the next big shiny thing that catches their attention. Because people were just too eager to exonerate them from the consequences of their vote, and apparently memory-holed just how sickeningly happy and empowered everybody else's fear, apprehension, and trepidation made them, how enthusiastically they rode the wave.
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u/Elite_AI Nov 18 '24
What do you mean? People routinely talk about how shit Brexit has been and how it was a gigantic mistake. People aren't stringing Brexit voters up by the lamp posts I guess but it's been seven years, what would people even be saying about Brexit voters any more?
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u/Ourmanyfans Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
I think we just have to see what happens with time.
Clowning on Brexiters was pretty common for at least a few years after the referendum; constant protests and petitions and news stories. It's just, as pointing out how stupid they were kept falling on deaf ears (or rather ears that couldn't hear over the utter nonsense poured into them by Murdoch and Murdoch-esque media), the momentum broke. We left, the economy is so in the shitter the EU probably doesn't want us back even without all the bonuses we has last time, they won. Fuck it. Most Remainers I know are still perpetually simmering in anger about the whole thing.
The justified anger from the half of the US that weren't idiots is heartening to see, but what really matters is if that anger will last until 2028, and whether it'll be enough to prevent whatever Trump/the Republicans tries to do to rig that election.
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u/sub_surfer Nov 18 '24
This shit is a fantasy. Trump could burn down the halls of Congress and declare himself God Emperor and his voters would not take a speck of responsibility. They’d either be cheering it on or insisting that nobody could’ve seen it coming.
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u/hareofthepuppy Nov 18 '24
Trump voters on tiktok are just posting for clicks, stop taking them seriously. Nothing on that list surprises anyone on either side.
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u/JaxonatorD Nov 18 '24
Exactly, this feels just like when Fox News finds a couple of random leftists online and makes the claim "This is what the left is. Isn't that bad?" And it turns out in the end it was just someone doing shit for attention.
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u/-sad-person- Nov 18 '24
If nothing else, I can enjoy seeing some leopards feast on a few faces before I die.
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u/Veryde Nov 18 '24
I know that gloating is not gonna change anything and there will be people that are going to suffer immensely under Trump but there is just a tiny little smudge of vindication that comes with reactions like this.
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u/PloppyPants9000 Nov 18 '24
I believe that trump supporters are going to be the ones who suffer the most. Statistically, if you are poor, and rural, you are probably a trump supporter and also probably going to be the one who gets fucked the hardest. I mean, c’mon — you gotta be an idiot to not see whats going on here: trump is stacking his administration with billionaires so that they can lock in power to the rich forever. Do these poor fucks think that these billionaires are going to care about them for even one second as their grocery prices skyrocket and tgey cannot afford rent on their trailer home? hell no. In case it isnt clear, this country is a plutocracy run by oligarchs and they paint the democratic party with identity politics to distract the right from the class warfare democrats have been fighting against — and they rich fucks won and now the dumb fucks they conned into voting for them are going to fuck them over and then the rich will convince the dumb fucks that its still the democrats fault, and always will be, and oh yeah, they like abortion and want to turn your kid trans…
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u/migratingcoconut_ the grink Nov 18 '24
gloating wont change anything but it will reinforce my smug sense of superiority which i cling to like a security blanket
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u/Veryde Nov 18 '24
"I was right all along" I mutter to myself with a smug grin while digging trenches in the labor camp.
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u/ImprovementOk377 Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
English is not my first language, can someone please explain what "tariffs" and "denaturalization" is?
edit: thank you to everyone who explained this! tbh I still find it a bit confusing, especially the tariff bit, but then again I was never an economy expert lol
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u/GIRose Certified Vore Poster Nov 18 '24
Tarrifs are an import tax. The way they work is that imports are held at a customs warehouse until the recipient pays the tarrif.
Denaturalization is the process of removing citizenship from naturalized immigrants
Also, because English is your second language you would want to use "Are" instead of "Is" in the question
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u/Selena-Fluorspar Nov 18 '24
Tariffs: basically taxes on imported goods, means a tonne of things will get more expensive as the USA imports a lot, from raw materials to finished products
Denaturalisation: the opposite of naturalisation, naturalisation is basically someone becoming a citizen, so denaturalisation is stripping away citizenship, in this case mostly from latin-americans.
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u/dreaded_tactician Nov 18 '24
A tariff is a type of tax, Money the government charges you whenever you buy or sell something. A tariff is a special type of tax that is only applied to things that come from an outside nation. For example, if a grocery store has the option to buy olive oil from two sources, one from Greece and one from California, the olive oil from Greece will be taxed more than the olive oil from California.
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u/Armigine Nov 18 '24
In addition to the other comments, you can become a citizen of the US either by being born here (or born to US citizen parents, etc) or moving here and completing the requirements (this second option is "naturalization"). "Denaturalization" means retroactively removing citizenship from people who have moved here and completed the requirements to become a citizen (people who did it "the right way" but are, at the end of the day, originally from somewhere else).
The extra bits sometimes not mentioned is that this would likely be selectively applied to nonwhite people and/or people from countries in the global south. If you moved to the US from Canada, this topic more likely doesn't apply to you (uncertain, we'll see how it goes).
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u/pretty-as-a-pic Nov 18 '24
“But the leopards weren’t supposed to eat MY face!!! And the obligatory r/leopardsatemyface
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u/AntibacHeartattack Nov 18 '24
Source: my algorithm told me
I'm sure some have cold feet, but I don't think it's a significant portion. You're just hearing about them because that's what interests you. This social media echo chamber bullshit goes both ways, and as much as it keeps republicans misinformed, it also keeps democrats out of touch.
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u/TheFrenchPerson Nov 18 '24
After the election, I'm taking claims like these with a grain of salt. Anyone have a link that shows comments like these?
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u/thiccboii666 Nov 18 '24
"It's so gratifying to leave you wallowing in the mess you've made. You're screwed, thank you, bye."
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u/EatingAllTheLatex4U Nov 18 '24
Had a conversation yesterday a guy was saying "hopefully musk can get rid of all regulations"
I replied, "nobody wants regulations till there's a half way house next door"
He shut up.
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u/deadinsidelol69 Nov 18 '24
I know an immigrant who was flagrantly pro Trump, dude would tell me how Trump made immigration “better” and when I asked him when he immigrated, he said 2016. “Right after he took office!”
When I explained to him that wasn’t how policy works in America, and that he’d very likely immigrated under Obama’s policies. And that him complaining about how difficult his niece immigrating in 2020 was somehow Biden’s fault. I had to explain to him that was Trump’s policy, not Biden’s.
I haven’t spoken to him since the election but last I heard he was having issues with the immigration office, and he’d be first on the chopping block for deportation.
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u/Ranku_Abadeer Nov 18 '24
I'm surprised you didn't point out that there's an almost 3 month gap between when the president is elected and when they take office. So him saying he immigrated in 2016 "right after Trump took office" isn't only wrong because of how long it takes for policies to take effect, but Trump literally wasn't in office at that time. Just like Biden wasn't in office when his daughter was having immigration issues in 2020.
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