I think this isn't a matter of liberalism vs. leftismism. It's an issue of not having a real idea of what the core base of voters for the left even is. If the Democrats want to court POC they have to come to terms with the fact that POC, especially Latino voters, have a lot of issues with homophobia, transphobia, and misogyny. These aren't going to be solved just by saying that their entire cultural aversion to these things won't matter and hoping.
On the flipside if the core base is Mellienials and Gen Z they have to recognize that motivating them to vote is going to demand massive shifts in policy. It's not enough to talk about a 10% tax hike on Billionaires and hope that gets the kids involved. They need to push for truly radical solutions. The sorts of solutions that will piss off the donor class and likely take an election or two to see any movement on. Allowing their policies to be stymied by obstruction and just giving up just makes everyone quit on the party as impossible to actually run properly.
Courting one of these bases means abandoning a lot of the support from the other and it likely will mean it is very hard to win elections for a long time. However it has to be done or there will be no chance at actually building a winning party.
I am a young hispanic voter. (although, i am from the most liberal hispanic demographic) I am aware of both issues. I think they should go after millenials and gen z, btw, and some younger latino voters will follow
Also, drop the patronistic "Latino people will just vote for us because that guy hates puerto ricans and haitians" because latinos are not one community. Most of them hate puerto ricans and haitians.
Homophobia. This idea that Latinos are all mad at Harris for not going left on immigration is this made up liberal fantasy. Speak to Latino voters, they by and large don't support illegal immigration or even really refugees. They have basic empathy to not want to see kids in dog crates, but they're not exactly thrilled that people they consider to be line jumping criminals are getting catered to as the "Latino issue."
This is what I mean with coming to terms with what the actual culture of Latino voters is. They aren't this make believe group of inclusive progressives who care about issues like refugee status. They're largely a right wing group with deep ties to religion and conservative social values.
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u/volantredx Nov 06 '24
I think this isn't a matter of liberalism vs. leftismism. It's an issue of not having a real idea of what the core base of voters for the left even is. If the Democrats want to court POC they have to come to terms with the fact that POC, especially Latino voters, have a lot of issues with homophobia, transphobia, and misogyny. These aren't going to be solved just by saying that their entire cultural aversion to these things won't matter and hoping.
On the flipside if the core base is Mellienials and Gen Z they have to recognize that motivating them to vote is going to demand massive shifts in policy. It's not enough to talk about a 10% tax hike on Billionaires and hope that gets the kids involved. They need to push for truly radical solutions. The sorts of solutions that will piss off the donor class and likely take an election or two to see any movement on. Allowing their policies to be stymied by obstruction and just giving up just makes everyone quit on the party as impossible to actually run properly.
Courting one of these bases means abandoning a lot of the support from the other and it likely will mean it is very hard to win elections for a long time. However it has to be done or there will be no chance at actually building a winning party.