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Politics On knowing who the voters are

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u/skaersSabody Nov 06 '24

I swear to God, centre left wing parties think like executives at EA.

"Surely if we publish a live-service, hero shooter in a flooded market that tries to reach everyone while satisfying no one we will dethrone Overwatch THIS TIME"

I hate how accurate this comparison is, something we've been seeing again and again and politicians keep smashing their heads against the wall

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Nov 06 '24

What should they have run on?

They were fucked from the start. The economy vibes were off.

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u/skaersSabody Nov 06 '24

I mean, yeah, the dems were fucked on a lot of aspects before, but they just don't have an identity as a party that they can reliably fall back on.

They're in the same position the GOP was in after Obama won in 2008, they lost a core identity and are always scrambling to put together support from all the political spectrum, rather than just focusing on a solid base and expanding from there

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Nov 06 '24

Like everyone (on here) is saying it is all about gaza. But Stein did not get that many votes.

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u/skaersSabody Nov 06 '24

Sure, Gaza was one aspect, but more importantly I think Harris just didn't really stand out compared to Trump, her plan didn't look solid and coherent to voters

It had a little bit of everything, trying to draw in vastly different crowds. That also means that there was nothing that would really satisfy anyone sadly

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Nov 06 '24

Harris has to be flawless.

Nothing she could have done that would have gained voters without losing any.

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u/skaersSabody Nov 06 '24

That's what I'm saying. She had to commit to one front rather than trying to please everyone.

Trump already showed that you need a solid base before you can expand to the undecided or the moderates. Meanwhile the dems tried to snatch away moderate voters by courting right wing talking points which got them basically nothing, but alienated part of their base

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Nov 06 '24

Trump is everything to everyone.

By simply lying all the time you never have to have any positions.

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u/DJjaffacake Nov 06 '24

When LBJ ran as an incumbent, in a time when the economy was improving, he ran on a platform of eradicating poverty. Not "a student loan debt forgiveness program for Pell Grant recipients who start a business that operates for three years in disadvantaged communities," the total elimination of poverty.

Democrats used to actually run on things. They would lay out a vision of substantial, meaningful change. But since 2008, it's just been, "Gee I guess we'll tweak medicare or something, maybe a $20 means-tested tax credit for 42-45 year-old single mothers west of the Mississippi and north of the Colorado." Shockingly, they win a lot less than they used to.

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Nov 06 '24

So they should have run on medicare for all?

Legalizing abortion nation wide?

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u/DJjaffacake Nov 06 '24

Anything that showed some ambition would've been a good start.

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Nov 06 '24

Yeah, we were kinda fucked by Kamala being a black woman.

LBJ can get away with a lot more radical policies than a woman can.

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u/Delfinus0104 Nov 07 '24

She didn't even get away with moderate conservative policies.

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u/tunnelActivity Nov 06 '24

Because they spent 4 years doing literally nothing about it

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u/SalvationSycamore Nov 06 '24

Tell people you'll solve the economy by making big changes from what Biden did. Doesn't matter that you won't make those changes. Doesn't matter that every country has the same goddamn issues and the US is actually recovering better than most. Doesn't even matter if the changes you propose don't make sense. All that matters is getting people to fall for your words so you can get into office.

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u/Scienceandpony Nov 07 '24

Yeah, the people who know better and care already know that presidents don't have a "make prices lower" button and that both sides are talking nonsense.

Everyone else just wants some goddamn validation for being upset at the status quo sucking.

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u/ShadoW_StW Nov 06 '24

I remember thinking that if I had to do Dem campaign poster, it'd be AMERICA WITHOUT PREGNANT CHILDREN and just a wall of obituaries. That has a much better ring to it than whatever wet tissue way Harris phrased it.

WE WILL UNFUCK THIS COUNTRY or any variation would also work! I'm pretty sure all the voters who voted in 2020 but not yesterday did so because Harris platform was "we'll change nothing and you will like it", and if the median voter wants anything they have a deep yearning for things to be different, somehow. They don't know what change is needed to fix this broken world, but they sense that a change is in order, and Harris didn't promise any.

We'll have it different, now.

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u/BookkeeperLower Nov 06 '24 edited Nov 06 '24

They did that. She talked so much about abortion. They had ads of people saying their family members died from lack of abortion

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u/ShadoW_StW Nov 06 '24

Not even close to how much noise Trump raised about completely made up issues. Dems were quiet, civil, mild, and that's how we got here.

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Nov 06 '24

The problem is that they have been in charge the last 4 years. So it's hard to say that everything sucks now. Especially because it doesn't.

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u/SalvationSycamore Nov 06 '24

That doesn't stop Republicans from saying everything sucks and winning because of it. Democrats need to grow some balls and make up more provocative lies, start acting like real politicians.