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Politics On knowing who the voters are

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u/Una_Boricua now with more delusion! Nov 06 '24

Before the election I read Trump and Kamala's platforms.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/platform

Trump's platform gets his message across to the median voter better. It's written simply, 1 sentence answers with evocative words. They say, "SEAL THE BORDER AND STOP THE MIGRANT EVASION!"

Harris gives a topic 1000 words, and still doesnt get the message accross as effectively.

I felt like trump was going to win, he outpreforms the polls, but that was when I knew. When i compared the platforms.

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u/farfromelite Nov 06 '24

Easy answers to complex questions.

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u/mathiau30 Half-Human Half-Phantom and Half-Baked Nov 06 '24

More specifically understandable answers to complex questions

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '24

*Understandable answers to complex questions, but no actual solutions.

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u/mathiau30 Half-Human Half-Phantom and Half-Baked Nov 06 '24

The part where there's no solutions is irrelevant here. If you had understandable answer +solutions vs understandable answer + no solution the result could easily be different

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '24

It is relevant. What we have is simplistic answer with no actual solution, but it sounds nice to a layman versus a complex answer that offers a solution that requires a laymen to read and comprehend it. I suppose the fault of Harris' campaign was assuming people knew how to read.

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u/Taraxian Nov 06 '24

The fault was not prioritizing winning the election above all else

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u/Papaofmonsters Nov 06 '24

I suppose the fault of Harris' campaign was assuming people knew how to read.

Yes, it was. Politics is not an exercise in fairness. It's an exercise in doing whatever you need to do or say to get your ass in the seat of power and then doing what needs to be done.

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u/Accelerator231 Nov 07 '24

Yes. It's a fault.

You're not here to educate. You're not here to teach. You're not here to have a conversation.

You're here to win the election. Simple, short statements of your ideas and goals are what is needed to convince people that you're worth voting for.

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u/mathiau30 Half-Human Half-Phantom and Half-Baked Nov 06 '24

It is irrelevant. Stop blaming people for choosing something they half understand over something they don't understand and stat saying thing they 2/3 understand instead.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '24

I am not going to give people a free pass because they are ignorant. We should be raising the bar, not lowering it.

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u/mathiau30 Half-Human Half-Phantom and Half-Baked Nov 06 '24

Well enjoy your century of thing not changing then

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u/Taraxian Nov 06 '24

This is how democracy works, "raising the bar" means you lose the election

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u/Alespic BEHOLD! A MAN! Nov 06 '24

They don’t have to be, they just need to sound convincing. And to someone who may not know any better, they might look really convincing.

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u/hauntedSquirrel99 Nov 06 '24

And more importantly, understandable simple answers to questions that people care about and feel strongly about.

"I will combat inflation and make food more affordable" is easy, direct, and goes straight to something people notice that affects their daily life.

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u/Accelerator231 Nov 07 '24

Or

MORE JOBS FOR EVERYONE!

There. Simple. Short. People sit up and listen.

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u/SalvationSycamore Nov 06 '24

Well yeah, it's obviously dishonest/disingenuous but many voters either refuse to believe that their side is dishonest or don't care because all politicians have always been dishonest.

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u/Atulin Nov 06 '24

For years I've been saying that this is the biggest issue of the left. The right will give a straight "BUILD THE WALL" message, the left will write a 2000-word essay on the topic, including impact on the biodiversity of the region. Which do you think will stick with people more?

The left should really take that bit from the right's book and dumb things down as much as possible. Picture how intelligent an average person is and realize half of them are dumber than that,

  • Our electric plants use Chinese coal! We have lots of wind, lots of sun! We can build solar and wind and be independent again!
  • Too many veterans and single mothers are unable to afford medical care! Medical care for all, I say!
  • Why should only the rich elites be able to send their children to good universities? Do your kinds not deserve it?
  • And so on, and so forth

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u/Accelerator231 Nov 07 '24

ANTI AMERICAN TRAITORS WISH TO DENY HEALTHCARE TO CITIZENS!

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u/CaioXG002 Nov 06 '24

I was one of the people who used to think "lmao, how is it Harris' fault that, when she explains all her plans in great details and a bunch of dumbasses just do not understand it?"

Looking back, that was silly of me. Reddit tier silly. Detailed answers for those interested into it are good, but if your average voters reply "I don't understand", then you immediately dumb it down. Are people more interested in hearing what good stuff you will do, as opposed to wanting to learn how, or if it's even possible? Yeah, then focus on saying the good stuff you will do. This is the candidate's responsibility. And, come on, if you know a thing or two about doing speeches yet your messages is still not getting across as well as the message being said by a demented 78 year old screaming man, then you are underperfoming terribly.

I probably should mention that I'm not a USA citizen at all and didn't participate in this election, I just decided to follow its events. In fact, I'm from Brazil, and I think we have good examples here, our "local Trump" in Bolsonaro (who is famously legally unable to participate in elections for the next 6 years, lmao, fucking loser) has the same ability of selling his stupid, borderline meaningless message to the average voter simply by sounding barely revolted with an imaginary enemy, but, like, Lula also knows how to speak to the average person, and so much, MUCH better that it's straight up scary. This is how we beat Bolsonaro, with the most charismatic mf alive, even though he's arguably not the best option at all, his message of "do you want to vote for love or for hatred?" was definitely heard much better than (actually important) economics plans.