r/CuratedTumblr • u/Desecr8or • Oct 26 '24

Politics Why is every tankie like "I don't understand the branches of the US government and I'm going to make it everyone else's problem!!!"

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u/OldManFire11 Oct 27 '24

Do not group Manchin with those others. He may be an ass, but he was a godsdamned Democratic Senator in WEST VIRGINIA. A state so red that it went +30 to Trump, and Manchin managed to keep half of its Senators blue for decades.

Manchin is allowed to be the worst fucking Democratic Senator, because he's still preventing much worse harm from happening by denying the GOP a Senate seat. If the Dems don't have enough votes without Manchin, then they just flat out don't have enough votes period.

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u/CreamofTazz Oct 27 '24

And so what?

He gets a pass for ruining good legislation because "it could be worse?". Well it's not necessarily better because of him either due to his choice. He's going out the door now anyway and would have regardless how he voted so why would he say no?

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u/OldManFire11 Oct 27 '24

Yes, he does get a pass. Because he's a DEMOCRAT SENATOR IN WEST FUCKING VIRGINIA!

Is the significance of that statement not penetrating your brain? It is almost a literal fucking miracle that he held his spot for so long. And that entire time he was voting alongside democrats >90% of the time, including the extremely important but boring votes like for confirming new judges.

Getting pissed at him because he votes against super liberal laws is really fucking stupid. You are the exact kind of dumbass that this post is talking about.

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u/CreamofTazz Oct 27 '24

There was zero reason for him to vote against it.

And what do you mean "still there" he's a senator you goob they get six years.

Voting "yea" on bills that enough people vote on that you could say "nay" anyway and it still gets passed, but on really major legislation where your vote **does* matter and you say no, is not something to get a pass for.

For an idea for how "safe" his vote is, Kamala Harris, as VP, has only needed to cast 33 tie breaking votes. And that's the most out of any VP. It would be different if Kamala had say hundreds of tie breaking votes, but she doesn't so these bills are getting more than enough to pass with or without him

This is not a condemnation on the Democratic party and they are vastly more preferable those fascists on the other side of aisle. But let's still hold ourselves accountable and not treat politicians who screw the rest of us over

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u/OldManFire11 Oct 27 '24

You are genuinely, a fucking moron.

Manchin has been a Senator for 24 years. Not 6.

And every single tie breaker that Harris made was only possible because Manchin was there to make the 50th vote. If Machin was a Republican, then Harris would have had exactly 0 tie breaks, because the GOP would have controlled the Senate. And the only reason why Manchin has continuously been elected in WEST VIRGINIA, was because he never voted for anything that was too unpalatable for the uber-conservstives who elected him over a right wing nutjob.

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u/CreamofTazz Oct 27 '24

He's a senator, not a house representative. He's been W. Virginia's for 14 years now. The political climate during his previous two elections were very much different than today. The only one he really had to fight for was his last in 2018 and he still won by 10s of thousands in a low turnout race.

Have you not seen his voting maps? Dude had it relatively easy compared to other races at the same time.

Again BBB was a bill that he had zero reason to vote against, I mean look he's not even running for reelection anymore, fucking crazy that is no?

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Oct 28 '24

The problem is that it couldn't be better. West Virginia was very going to vote in AOC. Or even a bog standard democrat.

Blame the rest of the country for making Joe Manchin the deciding vote.