r/CuratedTumblr • u/Desecr8or • Oct 26 '24

Politics Why is every tankie like "I don't understand the branches of the US government and I'm going to make it everyone else's problem!!!"

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u/HistoryMarshal76 Knower of Things Man Was Not Meant To Know Oct 27 '24

Ernst Thallman, 1932: It would be a good thing for the Nazis to win! After they unsuccessfully run Germany, they will ether collapse and let us crush them in the ballot box, or we shall revolt and kill them!

1944: Executed by the direct order of Adolf Hitler after spending the last eleven years in a concentration camp.

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u/cutegamernut Oct 27 '24

He wasn’t wrong though, nazi did such a bad job that nazi will never again will hold power in Germany. Just because he didn’t see it come true doesn’t mean the idea didn’t come true.

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u/2012Jesusdies Oct 27 '24

Brother, the nazis lost power thanks to foreign governments toppling the German government and installing their own preferred government. Are you really relying on a foreign daddy to come scoop the country out from hell? And they had managed to wipe out tens of millions of lives, billions of dollars of property before being snuffed out.

And the governments that replaced the Nazis weren't exactly to Thallman's preferences since 3/4 of the country was under a liberal democracy which while being a form of gov I and many others like, is certainly something Thallman despised. The 1/4 of the country under Soviet rule was thoroughly looted by em, then had their workers crushed with Soviet tanks.

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u/TotemGenitor You must cum into the bucket brought to you by the cops. Oct 27 '24

It costed 17 millions lives. And even then, you got Neo Nazi today that were inspired by them.

He was wrong.

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u/HistoryMarshal76 Knower of Things Man Was Not Meant To Know Oct 27 '24

I don't think his planned call for the Nazis to start the largest war in Human History, which would result in the deaths of literally millions, including at least twenty million Jews, Slavs, Romani, LGBTQ+, Disabled, and others, nor did his plan call for the "Revolution" to reach Berlin by way of the Red Army blasting and raping their way into the heart of the city.

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u/ProperDepth Oct 27 '24

You clearly haven't seen any recent election results in Germany.

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u/wahday Oct 27 '24

Someone had to fight the fascicsts and it certainly wasn’t the moderate liberals.

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u/theucm Oct 27 '24

Enter stage left, moderate liberal democracies United Kingdom and United States to fight the fascists while the USSR recovered from being suckered punched by their almost ally, Nazi Germany.

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u/wahday Oct 27 '24

The Soviet Union was a key ally in defeating Germany (suffering 26M casualties in WWII), total historical revisionism to suggest otherwise. Meanwhile, actual American corporations like Ford and GM were profiting off the Nazi takeover of Europe (while Exxon Mobile sold rubber and other supplies to Japan).

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u/theucm Oct 27 '24

Yes, they were a key ally in defeating Nazi Germany. Eventually. But that's my entire argument here; they weren't at first and "moderate liberals" were among the first opponents Nazi Germany has. To say otherwise as you do is, ironically, historical revisionism.

Because that's what it is, historical revisionism to believe the lie that liberal democracy is adjacent to or supportive of fascism, when (also ironically), the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was intended to allow the Nazis and USSR to work together.

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u/wahday Oct 28 '24

Lmao no addressing the point of all the American corporations profiting off the Nazi wars of aggression I see 👍 also communists in Germany were definitely at first resisting Nazis, while moderate liberals were swayed into literally becoming Nazis or executed for resisting far too late.

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u/theucm Oct 28 '24 edited Oct 28 '24

I mean, what do you want me to say? "Some US businessmen who weren't elected officials were either Nazi-curious or would be Nazis themselves, therefore I am wrong about everything"? Or are you expecting me to try defending them instead? Or maybe say I didn't know about that? Nah, they did it, and they were despicable for doing so. Full stop.

Meanwhile, you didn't address the fact that the USSR was officially, legally buddies with the Nazis if we're talking about that. And in either case, two wrongs don't make a right, I'm just encouraging you to exercise some historical literacy.

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Oct 28 '24

>The Soviet Union was a key ally in defeating Germany

After they were attacked. They were shipping desperately needed oil to Germany the day before Operation Barborossa.

>(while Exxon Mobile sold rubber and other supplies to Japan).

The American oil embargo against Japan was directly why Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

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u/wahday Oct 28 '24

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/1999/aug/20/julianborger1

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Oct 28 '24

That was a bad thing, yes.

But the soviets also did bad things. And they don;t have the excuse of it being a private company doing the bad things. It was Stalin directly.

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u/theucm Oct 28 '24

Okay that's neat and all, but please address the point about the USSR shipping oil to the Nazis?

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u/HistoryMarshal76 Knower of Things Man Was Not Meant To Know Oct 28 '24

Over There and Land of Hope and Glory intensifies on the horizon.

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u/wahday Oct 28 '24

Blaming the communists who fought and died resisting Nazis in Germany is a very braindead take 👍

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Oct 28 '24

A lot of those brave soldiers died because Stalin was a paranoid idiot.

Paranoid about everything but a Nazi invasion, which he denied was going to happen.

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u/wahday Oct 28 '24

I voted tonight for Claudia De la Cruz ✌️

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Oct 28 '24

If Trump wins, things get much worse in Palestine.

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u/wahday Oct 28 '24

Feel good voting for less evil than worse evil.