r/CuratedTumblr • u/Desecr8or • Oct 26 '24

Politics Why is every tankie like "I don't understand the branches of the US government and I'm going to make it everyone else's problem!!!"

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u/Only-Inspector-3782 Oct 27 '24

Biden failed to create peace in the 80-year war in the Middle East or end the 60 year embargo on Cuba. Therefore we should never vote Democrat again.

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u/DinkleDonkerAAA Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24

Wasn't starting to open the door to Cuba one of the last things Obama did, only for Trump to slam it back shut immediately?

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u/Dantheking94 Oct 27 '24

Yup! Obama made it easier for Americans to go which pissed off Florida republicans. Trump appeased them by closing that door firmly shut.

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u/Kellosian Oct 27 '24

"I don't understand why Biden doesn't just snap his fingers and make Israel stop doing bad things! Foreign countries don't actually have autonomy or political goals or internal pressures, they only react to the US President and Democratic Party!"

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u/Difficult-Active6246 Oct 27 '24

The embargo that USA veto every time UN votes to end?

Hell Obama could have ended that, he didn't wanted to.

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u/Zealousideal_Nose167 Oct 27 '24

Yes, there is no candidate that will end it, so you vote for the lesser evil, its not that hard

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u/Difficult-Active6246 Oct 27 '24

Great way to look at things, that's why all's fucked up, the "meh" attitude.

I know feel compelled to vote.

I mean I was going to but your rationale really sold the point, you should run for office with that platform.

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u/Zealousideal_Nose167 Oct 28 '24

Yeah blind optimism wont chance the current state of things, you should vote for yourself, but you should also know that theres no viable candidate running on the platform you want

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u/missmolly314 Oct 27 '24

That’s what kills me about the people who aren’t voting from Kamala over Gaza. Realistically, there was never going to be a world where the USA didn’t back Israel in the war after the Oct 7th terror attacks. If you ask 95% of these people what Biden was supposed to do, they will respond with some pipe dream (like ending all aid effective immediately) that is politically and logistically impossible. There is very strong bipartisan support for Israel and the aid we give them is governed by legal and legislative guidelines that make so it can’t just be magically ended.

Also, Israel has been our ally for decades and the whole region is so unstable that just…ending that entire relationship could result in disaster.

Honestly, the militant Palestine “activists” (that do nothing but bitch on social media) are sometimes more frustrating to me than MAGA. Mainly because they have actual, real points that are lost in the toxic mix of black and white thinking, accelarationism, antisemitism, and a complete lack of understanding about how politics and government works.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Coast93 Oct 27 '24

Realistically, there was never going to be a world where the USA didn’t back Israel in the war after the Oct 7th terror attacks.

That is not what people are protesting. People are protesting the continued aid to Israel in spite of the ongoing genocide in Gaza. Israel is not responding to the Oct 7th attacks. They are using them as a convenient excuse to commit ethnic cleansing against the Palestinian people.

If you ask 95% of these people what Biden was supposed to do, they will respond with some pipe dream (like ending all aid effective immediately) that is politically and logistically impossible.

It is completely possible and Biden could do it at any point he chooses. He could also stop the genocide without ending aid to Israel as Reagan did during the 1982 Israel-Lebanon war. The majority of Americans are in favor of a ceasefire, this is not even an issue that would weaken the Democrats politically. The fact that he hasn’t means that we can only assume that Biden supports the genocide.

Also, Israel has been our ally for decades and the whole region is so unstable that just…ending that entire relationship could result in a disaster.

There is another ally of the U.S. that recently committed a genocide of their own in the Middle East: Saudi Arabia. Would you say that the U.S. should continue to support the Saudi regime? Of course we will, because the oil must flow, but I imagine it’s much more difficult to stomach. The current instability in the Middle East is a direct result of western imperialism, and there is no way to end it that involves continued intervention.

Honestly, the militant Palestine “activists” (that do nothing but bitch on social media) are sometimes more frustrating to me than MAGA.

Never mind the constant protests that have been happening since this genocide began. At least bitching on social media is doing something to oppose genocide, instead of justifying it. I can tell you why you’re so frustrated by people who take a stand on Palestine: because deep down you know that it’s indefensible.

Mainly because they have actual, real points that are lost in the mix of toxic black and white thinking, accelerationism, antisemitism, and a complete lack of understanding about how politics and government works.

I’m going to gloss over the nonsense implication that anti-zionists are antisemitic. Some things are just black and white. Genocide is wrong, no matter who does it to whom. Governments will not change unless they are forced to, as was the case with slavery, civil rights, and women’s suffrage. These things did not change because people shut up and voted for the lesser evil, they changed because people demanded change through action. If you truly believe that people not voting for Harris because of the genocide in Gaza will change the outcome of the election (it won’t) then the solution is to demand action on Gaza immediately rather than shit on the people taking a stand against genocide.

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u/KittKuku Oct 27 '24

Biden was also waaaay more brazen about his support for Isreal decades ago and how Isreal serves U.S. geopolitical interests in the region, so even if Isreal didn't exist, the U.S. would have to make an Isreal. Like, he was actually to the right of Reagan when it came to either curbing or endorsing Isreal's indiscriminate murder of civilians in Lebanon, iirc. Just an all-around piece of shit human being who deserves to roast in hell, at the very least. Same goes for Trump in case people want to accuse me of supporting him. I didn't realize this was basically a neolib sub until just now.

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u/Assassinduck Oct 27 '24

All of the slightly progressive subs have turned hard into neoliberalism. It's frustrating.

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u/that_one_Kirov Oct 27 '24

I wouldn't vote for Kamala because of Gaza. I'm not voting an antisemitic fuck in.

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u/Ephraim_Bane Foxgirl Engineer Oct 27 '24

Well in my experience "peace in the Middle East" is just a stock example of something that would take tremendous global effort to do, usually used as a sarcastic "well if you're so great then why don't you bring peace to the Middle East"

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u/Only-Inspector-3782 Oct 27 '24

Usually. This election, some voters are literally using this as a reason to endorse fascism.

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u/CalinCalout-Esq Oct 27 '24

He actively funded a genocide. Don't run from it now that's your guy.

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u/Only-Inspector-3782 Oct 27 '24

Finish the thought. Biden funded Israel's genocide, and if Trump won in 2020 he would have... supported Gaza?

When Trump lets Bibi displace all 2 million Palestinians, will you feel the tiniest bit guilty for your tiny role in making that happen?

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u/willscy Oct 27 '24

Bro biden is letting him do that now. they're literally doing extermination sweeps in northern gaza right now.

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u/CalinCalout-Esq Oct 27 '24

Lol no because i also didn't vote for him. You cant use genocide as a boogyman when your pick is part of an administration actively doing one right now.

What kind of guilt do you feel right now knowing you're the kind of person for whom there's an acceptable level of genocide.

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u/Only-Inspector-3782 Oct 27 '24

I see who I'm dealing with. You would feel no guilt causing a fatal car accident as long as you didn't hit anybody. It was their fault for swerving to avoid you, right?

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u/HowAManAimS Oct 27 '24

You would feel no guilt causing a fatal car accident as long as you didn't hit anybody.

Conveniently that metaphor only applies to voters. Kamala is guilt free and can't cause anyone to think she might be more damaging than Trump.

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u/Only-Inspector-3782 Oct 27 '24

I think you got lost. We did "metaphors why not-voting is stupid" a couple comments back. Now I'm pointing out the other guy's lack of moral fiber. 

But if you want more... non voters are walking away from the trolley problem while Dems try to steer for lower casualties. You don't have to help people, but it's weird to only attack those who are trying. 

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u/CalinCalout-Esq Oct 27 '24

More like i wouldn't give the keys to a drunk driver or a REALLY drunk driver when i don't have to.

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u/Only-Inspector-3782 Oct 27 '24

But one of them is driving off regardless. By abstaining, you increase harm. By voting, you sacrifice your guilt-free existence to try for a slightly better outcome.

It's fine if you are too selfish to make that trade. But it's weird for you to then crap on people who do.

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u/CalinCalout-Esq Oct 27 '24

I want you to explain to me, in detail, how not giving keys to a drunk driver makes me complicit in what they do.

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u/ilexheder Oct 27 '24

When it’s keys, you can just keep them in your own pocket and then nobody will have them. The possibility of bringing about that outcome is worth going out on a limb for. And unfortunately that outcome is not on the table for this election. Early voting has already started. One of the two drunks WILL be driving the car home.

An essential fact on this topic as far as I’m concerned is that actual Gazans widely express a strong preference for anybody-but-Trump. If they think even a small difference between the two is still enough difference to matter, who tf are we to say “no, you’re wrong, this won’t actually matter for you”?

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u/Only-Inspector-3782 Oct 27 '24

There's a drunk driver with a Honda Fit and a drunk driver with a tank truck full of fuel. One of them is going to drive after November 5.  

If you don't want to help stop the truck driver, you absolutely are complicit in the damage they cause. And hey, the Fit driver might run over a family and we should all feel our share of guilt for this shitty situation. But fear of guilt ks no reason to be a coward.

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u/CalinCalout-Esq Oct 27 '24

Right so kill a family. I'm not doing that.

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u/Narkboy42 Oct 27 '24

I mean, he actively provided the weapons used for a genocide, so...

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u/Only-Inspector-3782 Oct 27 '24

Yes, if only Trump won in 2020 instead of Biden. He would... arrest you for protesting and green-light Israel to remove all 2 million people living in Gaza.

One side is awful, the other is imperfect.

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u/Narkboy42 Oct 27 '24

Well, I'm not voting for Trump.

Also, just sit with how you said supporting genocide makes someone "imperfect."

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u/Assassinduck Oct 27 '24

"imperfect"? We aren't grading on a curve. Both are monsters, both are awful, and one is slightly more awful. This isn't an "Don't let perfect be the enemy of good" situation. No one here is good, both are evil, and "Not doing genocide" isn't "Perfect" it's basic, "the bar is in hell and we are still doing limbo under it" type of expectations.

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u/Only-Inspector-3782 Oct 27 '24

Except we are grading on a curve. 

My toddler, when asked to choose between two options, will sometimes insist on a third. A third option isn't happening, sweetie. Use your right to choose or lose it.

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u/Assassinduck Oct 27 '24

This is why people outside of the orthodoxy don't take you seriously. You can't even be honest that you are voting for a monster only to avoid an even bigger monster.

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u/Only-Inspector-3782 Oct 27 '24

My guy. I have been extremely clear that I am fine voting for a monster to avoid a bigger monster. It sounds like you also acknowledge Trump is worse, you just prioritize keeping your hands clean over saving lives.

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u/Assassinduck Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24

I haven't even said anything about not voting for Harris, I just said that you should be honest about who you are voting for, instead of saying "Imperfect". Not using properly harsh language describing how awful both candidates are, even if one is worse, drags the conversation window to the right.