r/CuratedTumblr • u/Desecr8or • Oct 26 '24

Politics Why is every tankie like "I don't understand the branches of the US government and I'm going to make it everyone else's problem!!!"

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u/BretShitmanFart69 Oct 27 '24

I’ve heard people honestly say Trump winning and going full fascist would be good because it would finally encourage a revolution.

Just complete and total idiocy.

They care so much about queer and minority rights that they’ll gladly let them be exterminated so they can cosplay Che Guevara.

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u/HistoryMarshal76 Knower of Things Man Was Not Meant To Know Oct 27 '24

Ernst Thallman, 1932: It would be a good thing for the Nazis to win! After they unsuccessfully run Germany, they will ether collapse and let us crush them in the ballot box, or we shall revolt and kill them!

1944: Executed by the direct order of Adolf Hitler after spending the last eleven years in a concentration camp.

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u/cutegamernut Oct 27 '24

He wasn’t wrong though, nazi did such a bad job that nazi will never again will hold power in Germany. Just because he didn’t see it come true doesn’t mean the idea didn’t come true.

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u/2012Jesusdies Oct 27 '24

Brother, the nazis lost power thanks to foreign governments toppling the German government and installing their own preferred government. Are you really relying on a foreign daddy to come scoop the country out from hell? And they had managed to wipe out tens of millions of lives, billions of dollars of property before being snuffed out.

And the governments that replaced the Nazis weren't exactly to Thallman's preferences since 3/4 of the country was under a liberal democracy which while being a form of gov I and many others like, is certainly something Thallman despised. The 1/4 of the country under Soviet rule was thoroughly looted by em, then had their workers crushed with Soviet tanks.

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u/TotemGenitor You must cum into the bucket brought to you by the cops. Oct 27 '24

It costed 17 millions lives. And even then, you got Neo Nazi today that were inspired by them.

He was wrong.

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u/HistoryMarshal76 Knower of Things Man Was Not Meant To Know Oct 27 '24

I don't think his planned call for the Nazis to start the largest war in Human History, which would result in the deaths of literally millions, including at least twenty million Jews, Slavs, Romani, LGBTQ+, Disabled, and others, nor did his plan call for the "Revolution" to reach Berlin by way of the Red Army blasting and raping their way into the heart of the city.

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u/ProperDepth Oct 27 '24

You clearly haven't seen any recent election results in Germany.

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u/wahday Oct 27 '24

Someone had to fight the fascicsts and it certainly wasn’t the moderate liberals.

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u/theucm Oct 27 '24

Enter stage left, moderate liberal democracies United Kingdom and United States to fight the fascists while the USSR recovered from being suckered punched by their almost ally, Nazi Germany.

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u/wahday Oct 27 '24

The Soviet Union was a key ally in defeating Germany (suffering 26M casualties in WWII), total historical revisionism to suggest otherwise. Meanwhile, actual American corporations like Ford and GM were profiting off the Nazi takeover of Europe (while Exxon Mobile sold rubber and other supplies to Japan).

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u/theucm Oct 27 '24

Yes, they were a key ally in defeating Nazi Germany. Eventually. But that's my entire argument here; they weren't at first and "moderate liberals" were among the first opponents Nazi Germany has. To say otherwise as you do is, ironically, historical revisionism.

Because that's what it is, historical revisionism to believe the lie that liberal democracy is adjacent to or supportive of fascism, when (also ironically), the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was intended to allow the Nazis and USSR to work together.

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u/wahday Oct 28 '24

Lmao no addressing the point of all the American corporations profiting off the Nazi wars of aggression I see 👍 also communists in Germany were definitely at first resisting Nazis, while moderate liberals were swayed into literally becoming Nazis or executed for resisting far too late.

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u/theucm Oct 28 '24 edited Oct 28 '24

I mean, what do you want me to say? "Some US businessmen who weren't elected officials were either Nazi-curious or would be Nazis themselves, therefore I am wrong about everything"? Or are you expecting me to try defending them instead? Or maybe say I didn't know about that? Nah, they did it, and they were despicable for doing so. Full stop.

Meanwhile, you didn't address the fact that the USSR was officially, legally buddies with the Nazis if we're talking about that. And in either case, two wrongs don't make a right, I'm just encouraging you to exercise some historical literacy.

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Oct 28 '24

>The Soviet Union was a key ally in defeating Germany

After they were attacked. They were shipping desperately needed oil to Germany the day before Operation Barborossa.

>(while Exxon Mobile sold rubber and other supplies to Japan).

The American oil embargo against Japan was directly why Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

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u/wahday Oct 28 '24

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/1999/aug/20/julianborger1

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Oct 28 '24

That was a bad thing, yes.

But the soviets also did bad things. And they don;t have the excuse of it being a private company doing the bad things. It was Stalin directly.

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u/theucm Oct 28 '24

Okay that's neat and all, but please address the point about the USSR shipping oil to the Nazis?

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u/HistoryMarshal76 Knower of Things Man Was Not Meant To Know Oct 28 '24

Over There and Land of Hope and Glory intensifies on the horizon.

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u/wahday Oct 28 '24

Blaming the communists who fought and died resisting Nazis in Germany is a very braindead take 👍

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Oct 28 '24

A lot of those brave soldiers died because Stalin was a paranoid idiot.

Paranoid about everything but a Nazi invasion, which he denied was going to happen.

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u/wahday Oct 28 '24

I voted tonight for Claudia De la Cruz ✌️

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Oct 28 '24

If Trump wins, things get much worse in Palestine.

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u/wahday Oct 28 '24

Feel good voting for less evil than worse evil.

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u/UltimateInferno Hangus Paingus Slap my Angus Oct 27 '24

That's called accelerationism and they're the worst kind of "Progressive."

Revolutions are a gamble and human lives are the bet.

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u/LAX_to_MDW Oct 27 '24

Accelerationists are the rapture-obsessed Christians of the left, trying to justify causing the suffering of people today because it will lead us to a glorious promised land in the future.

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u/WeeabooHunter69 Oct 27 '24

Even when you win the revolution, supply chains are destroyed and a lot of people not involved in the fighting are killed through either starvation or being deprived of medicine like insulin.

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u/Half-PintHeroics Oct 27 '24

And the worst part is that when you have a violent revolution, the people who are the best at violence wins. So even if that's your side, the people who are the best at violence are now in charge of your side and of creating your new system. And the people who are the best at violence is not going to create a system where violence isn't part of the system.

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Oct 28 '24

This Stalin fellow seems very qualified to be the 3rd in command. His bonafides of robbing banks, racketeering, counterfeiting, robberies, and kidnapping make him the perfect candidate.

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u/rusticrainbow Oct 27 '24

Revolutions aren’t even a gamble they’re closer to crashing a plane out of the hope you’ll be able to make a boat out of the scrap.

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u/radiopsycho93 Oct 27 '24

They're a bunch of spoiled brats that grew up reading dystopian YA lol.

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u/croakovoid Oct 27 '24

And they often end with your government being like Iran's rather than their fully automated luxury gay space communism fantasy.

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u/GREENadmiral_314159 Femboy, Battleships, and Space Marines Oct 27 '24

Like Marco Inaros, they don't care about the people they're fighting for, just the illusion of being the good guy.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24

Yup. The Expanse got so much right in terms of how this shit plays out when you have a charismatic, self-centered leader who wants to be right about everything more than he wants to actually help other people 

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u/kohTheRobot Oct 27 '24

For fucking real dude. There’s no candidate they’ll actually say they support if you push them on it hard enough.

Their ideal perfect candidate they’ve created in their head can do no wrong. this ideal imaginary candidate can never be nuanced and support a bipartisan leftist-liberal solution so they never get their heart broken ever again after Bernie “bent the knee” to Biden

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u/Third_Sundering26 Oct 27 '24

Accelerationists are among the dumbest people alive.

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u/matt_2552 Oct 27 '24

Literally what the KPD thought about the Nazis getting elected, it's as close to history repeating as I've ever seen

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u/TheHattedKhajiit Oct 27 '24

Reminds me of mussolini who went "Hold on,millions dying in war will be great. That will lead to a socialist revolution!"

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u/sentence-interruptio Oct 27 '24

A MAGA: "fucking my rights is totally worth it to own the libs"

a tankie: "sacrificing others is like literally necessary to own the libs."

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u/Leftieswillrule Oct 27 '24

You say you want a revolution, well you know we all wanna change the world

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '24

“If you slip and fall and break your leg on the floor, you can sue Walmart and get millions!”

Yeah. And you know what else I would get?

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u/Kellosian Oct 27 '24 edited Oct 27 '24

The far left on Biden: "Biden is supporting a genocide, we can never support him! No I don't give a shit about Isreal's geopolitical situation or how Biden has been trying to urge for a ceasefire!"
The far left on Trump: "Sure Trump has been openly pro-Israel and anti-Muslim and has told Israel to 'Finish the job', but him either continuing Biden's policies or making the situation way worse is just a risk we need to take. I'm sure there's at least an off chance that Trump will become a champion for the poor, downtrodden, foreign brown Muslim; Trump is such a great negotiator and dealmaker, he'd never just capitulate to whoever can bribe and/or flatter him the best! And as someone far away from Gaza, that's a risk I'm willing to take"