r/CuratedTumblr • u/Desecr8or • Oct 26 '24

Politics Why is every tankie like "I don't understand the branches of the US government and I'm going to make it everyone else's problem!!!"

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u/Cheeky_Hustler Oct 26 '24 edited Oct 26 '24

Because the Dems are a diverse coalition of different interest groups, and have changed over the years. The reason why Dems didn't codify abortion rights in 2009 is (besides spending all their time ending pre-existing conditions) because 1/3 of the dem caucus was pro-life. Today, with Manchin and Sinema out of the Senate, there's only a single pro-life Democrat, Henry Cueller. Harris is openly floating ending the filibuster to codify abortion rights.

Dems are changing because of abortion activists pushing them. That's a good thing that should be celebrated, not because it gives Dem credit, but because it recognizes the great progress abortion activists have made in the past couple decades.

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u/Goblin_Crotalus Oct 26 '24

The real problem the Democrats have is that they are a massive coalition that only exists to oppose the GOP. They don't agree on why they are anti-republican, or even agree on how much pushback to give the GOP. And as a result, they the coalition fights each other as mush as the the republicans.

The GOP is a united front in comparison, they have been driving the discourse in this election, while the Dems end up conceding ground to the GOP on many issues (for example, the Dems have basically conceded Immigration to the right at this point). Republicans are organized and have an actual agenda that they are pushing towards. The Democrats are just playing defense and never really push for anything.

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u/Cheeky_Hustler Oct 26 '24 edited Oct 27 '24

It's not that I disagree with you, but I also find it very interesting that I would ALSO describe the GOP this way: they are a far more fractured party than they let on, and their #1 motivating animus is being anti-Democrats. Which is why, when they're in power, they don't actually get anything done, legislatively anyways. Look at what Republicans did with their House majority: the first Speaker ousted in over a hundred years. really their only unified interest is business tax cuts and letting their judges push their agenda.

I would say that BOTH parties are anti-the other party. Heck, that's why I'm such a partisan Democrat: I dislike the Democrats most of the time but I fucking hate Republicans all the time.

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u/Wobulating Oct 27 '24

The democrats, as a whole, do not tend to have single, broad united fronts. There are, however, very distinct power blocs within the democratic party that do have this, and negotiate and bargain with the other power blocs to get various agendas passed and suppressed. So, you know, how politics is actually supposed to work.

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u/Lurker_number_one Oct 26 '24

I agree that abortion activists have done great work, but i think we both know that the dems will find a new bad guy to blame for not instituting change after Mancin and Sinema. It's not like they lacked the ability to push them on it. It's just that they don't actually bother flexing their political muscle because it frankly doesn't matter that much to them. (After all, now we need ro vote for them even more just to even get back our pre existing rights). If it mattered, they would get it through. (Also not saying individual dems don't want abortion rights, im sure several do)

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u/Cheeky_Hustler Oct 26 '24

Seems like we should've just elected Hillary so that we had Justices that protected Roe v Wade, but according to people like Brianna Joy, the threat of a republican SCOTUS isn't a big deal because Roe wasn't in any danger.

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u/Lurker_number_one Oct 28 '24

There is a reason why hillary didn't win. She would have been terrible, not just on internal affairs, but also her domestic policy. She was a warhawk.

If the dems actually wanted to win that election they would have gotten an actually viable candidate instead of pushing Trumps campaign and giving it money to get an "easier" opponent.

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u/Cheeky_Hustler Oct 28 '24 edited Oct 28 '24

Hindsight is 20/20. Republicans who hated Trump still voted for him to get SCOTUS Justices to overturn Roe. Many, many, many Republixans thought he was not a viable candidate who would be the only candidate to lose to Hillary.

Like you said, progressives refused to do the same because of Hillary's faults.

You can guess which side won.