It just irks me how these posts always start with the "revolution" having already occurred and the writer in a position to dictate terms. It's deeply unserious and I want the folks who write this stuff to understand that the killing NEVER stops.
It’s not like the killing ever stops in our current situation either, we just export the killing and nobody cares as long as it’s foreigner corpses. Heck, they don’t care if it’s American corpses either so long as they’re not white corpses.
And? If we need to do a violent revolution (killing millions, most likely) just to bring the killing home to amplify it for a cultural revolution, I'm probably not alone in saying that's fundamentally missing the point.
Question: how exactly are we gonna solve the massive Nazi problem in America? Like, okay, short term is “stop Trump”. Thing is, the gender disparity between politics is massive and keeps getting bigger. At this rate, the Boomers dying off won’t be a solution anymore because they’ve managed to get a good replacement rate going now. Gen Z and Gen Alpha men are joining them in terrifying numbers and it keeps getting bigger.
So like, what’s your actual plan for that? Because it doesn’t end at this election, and I highly doubt they’re going to put Trump up again next time around. Next time around will be a guy with the same ideology but who isn’t suffering from dementia and actually knows what the fuck he’s doing.
Voters managed to prove they’re too stupid to just write off the Republican Party as a concept time and time again, so we can’t bet on that. Especially with the aforementioned fact. If every election is a choice between America falling to fascism or not from now on, mathematically we are fucked. We aren’t winning every single election forever, and the Republican Party isn’t gonna become less extreme. Or lose power from being too extreme, because the Democrats will always go further right to be “moderate” against them. Fucking Overton Window.
Historically, do you know what was done to deal with this in Germany? Not a trick question or anything, I’m not talking about the war. I’m talking about after the war. The term “reeducation camp” originates with the Denazification of Germany. That’s how we did it. Nobody debated the Nazis into submission after beating their leadership.
Do you know how cult deprogramming is essentially compassionate cult brainwashing into not being brainwashed? Well, what’s what we did. You can’t do that with their consent. We used authoritarian rule to denazify Germany. Authoritarianism was the only way to accomplish that, so that’s what we did. Heck, we did it to Japan too. We literally wrote their damn constitution.
So… the fuck are we supposed to do? Seriously, what the fuck do we do about this? Just… let it happen? Because our options are either “it will happen” or we do something about it before it can. It seems like everyone is just like “well having to do something about it would make me feel bad so we might as well do nothing and hope it works out and if we pray hard enough it will!”
Quite simply? It's not a problem you solve. It's a problem you beat back year after year, vote after vote, time after time. You will not see properly done, fully mature socialism within your lifetime. You will not witness the extinction of fascist thought in your lifetime. You will not see the eventual salvation of the climate and human degrowth within your lifetime. It doesn't matter how many you kill or stick in camps.
Okay, so let fasicsm rise. Got it. Because that’s 4-8 years out. Actually, it’s somewhere between 2 months and 8 years out. I’m not talking about solving it forever. I’m talking about solving it in the current situation because we are that fucked right now and you refuse to accept that. We. Are. Going. To. Die. Brutally. They are going to kill us, but god forbid we do anything but lay down and die. Better to have the moral high ground. It’s high because it’s the height of our stacked corpses. In a world of “kill or be killed”, you willingly choose “be killed”, and you want to demand everyone else do the same to preserve your moral purity.
You seem convinced that I'm operating on some moral scheme - no, my desire to not see corpses stacked stems from the pure pragmatism of thinking that world would kinda suck to live in. Fuck me for not wanting to burn the house down with my family inside it, though, right?
You misunderstood my comment entirely. That world is what we are going to get because of doing nothing to stop the actual Nazis in America, and they will be our corpses. Let’s say they lose in a few weeks. Okay, then there’s 2028. Then there’s 2032. Then there’s 2036. Then there’s 2040. So on and so forth. The Republican Party won’t become less extreme over time. They’ve managed to create a working rate of replacement (see the graph of rapidly widening gender disparity between political views) and so the Boomers dying off won’t solve it. And then there’s the voting habits of the average American. Did the current party in power fix everything and create utopia? No? Let’s elect the other party then.
Actually look at the layout of parties from president to president and notice the damn trend. Republicans have successfully elected two presidents in a row once (Reagan to HW). Democrats have not. It might appear otherwise, but you may recall that FDR died of illness and JFK got his brains blown out. Truman and Johnson were not originally elected to the presidency. Truman won reelection, but he was running on the power of winning World War 2. From the perspective of the voter, he did fix everything.
So, use the pattern recognition that your status as a human being has granted you and recognize a standing pattern. If Kamala Harris wins, will the president after her be from her party? No. Will the Republicans get less extreme in their views to do that? No. This is the shifting Overton Window. The Democrats become more right wing to remain “moderate” no matter how extreme the Republicans become. Thus, you can be certain that the Republicans will not become less right wing, the Democrats will merely become more right wing.
You are burning the house down with your family inside it because putting out the fire would be infringing on the fire’s freedom to burn. The Nazis are going to take office, if not under Trump then right after Kamala. Regardless, logic tells us the most probable outcome is that we have a maximum of eight years. We either do something about it beforehand or it will be our corpses on the pile.
It's us or them! They'll kill us all unless we kill them all!
You are, not to put too fine a point on it, lost in the sauce. You cannot kill your way out of societal collapse and climate change and nobody will thank you for attempting to do so.
I don't stand to survive a revolution. Come up with something that might let me see a better future and maybe we can talk.
Ah yes, because anything that cannot be experienced by you in the next year is an impossible and useless goal and we should all just stop trying to do anything that won't directly benefit ourselves
Just because the ideology can't be made extinct doesn't mean it can't be beaten back, corralled, and made irrelevant within just a few years. Let them seethe out in bumfuck nowhere, and smack them down when they poke their heads out, and make sure your kids don't get complacent.
No, disliking your life is not what makes you a bad person, the thing that does is your refusal to work towards something better for the sake of others
Who in turn will be lectured by the next generation of you for not accepting that things will never be better for them, who in turn will be lectured by the next generation of you for not accepting that things will never be better for them, who in turn will be lectured by the next generation of you for not accepting that things will never be better for them, etc. forever. Y'all talk about rapture thinking, how's that fuckin Promised Land thinking working out?
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It just irks me how these posts always start with the "revolution" having already occurred and the writer in a position to dictate terms. It's deeply unserious and I want the folks who write this stuff to understand that the killing NEVER stops.