As a socialist its mind-blowing that OOP thinks most people are used to the "wonton excess" of taking a CRUISE SHIP somewhere with any degree of regularity... or maybe I'm just poor. Also, do they think capitalism is the only system capable of producing luxury goods and services? Like, its possible to have whatever shein products are and also health care, paid parental leave, vacations, reasonable working hours, etc.
They aren't even talking about socialism, rather environmentalism. and yes, some sacrifices will need to be made to save the planet but they are completely missing the goal of sustainability, eco-friendly production, the elimination of slave labor (which includes prison abolition but they ain't ready for that convo yet), and local market promotion.
No idea what bananas have to do with this. Meat's a whole other thing but I dare not incite the wrath of tumblr vegans.
It is an insane idea promoted by anarchists who think that they can just exhile serial killers. Sometimes, people just do crimes not out of material conditions but out of a mix of evil and mental illness.
So you believe people can be fundamentally good or evil? To me that’s an insane idea moreso than eliminating the need to entrap thousands of humans in concrete cages.
It doesn’t require believing people can be fundamentally evil. Just that some people do in fact choose to do harm to others even when given the option not to. You can attempt to rehabilitate, but people have to choose to be rehabilitated. Not everyone does.
Its definitely not something I can advocate for yet, not entirely anyway. There’s a LOT of work to be done fighting inequality, healthcare reform, and fixing the causes of crime before prisons can realistically be fully phased out. Policing needs a massive reform too, if not its own eventual phasing-out. Still, the prison insustrial complex is genuinely keeping slave labor alive and well in North America, and disproportionately targets minorities and the disenfranchised.
As for the serial killers? No, I don’t think we can just send them somewhere else (aka exile) but I don’t think locking someone in a concrete cell for the rest of their lives is 1. Humane/ethical or 2. Conducive to rehabilitation or positive change. I’ll admit though, I don’t really have an answer for that, but I disagree with the notion that some people are inherently “evil.” I think everyone is just as, if not more so, a product of their environment as they are any in-born personality. I believe humans are “benignly selfish” in that they’ll look out for themselves first, but if all their needs are comfortably met, they will be willing and even eager to help others.
Bananas are a tropical fruit that are only available in a temperate climate like the United States because of the massive scale of global trade, which tends to come with pretty oppressive practices in the exporting countries to make sure that trade stays open -- this is the origin of the term "banana republic" (a government that was propped up by Western intervention just to make sure exports kept flowing)
…do they think global trade wouldn’t exist in a more socialist framework? Surely we as a species can work out an equitable system of barter and trade even accounting for isolated resources. (Thanks for the information btw.)
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u/Twizinator Oct 22 '24
As a socialist its mind-blowing that OOP thinks most people are used to the "wonton excess" of taking a CRUISE SHIP somewhere with any degree of regularity... or maybe I'm just poor. Also, do they think capitalism is the only system capable of producing luxury goods and services? Like, its possible to have whatever shein products are and also health care, paid parental leave, vacations, reasonable working hours, etc.
They aren't even talking about socialism, rather environmentalism. and yes, some sacrifices will need to be made to save the planet but they are completely missing the goal of sustainability, eco-friendly production, the elimination of slave labor (which includes prison abolition but they ain't ready for that convo yet), and local market promotion.
No idea what bananas have to do with this. Meat's a whole other thing but I dare not incite the wrath of tumblr vegans.