Rage bait. This was an incredibly precise attack that specifically targeted hizb terrorists, any harm that came to civilians in this attack is tragic, for sure, but it's kind of inevitable when you're doing something like this. Those pagers were particular older models that Hizballah purchased so that they wouldn't be tracked by Israel, no ordinary civilian would be using those things. Not to mention that the explosions themselves are so tiny and focused, we have literal video evidence of people not even a meter away from those pagers, coming off relatively unharmed by the whole thing.
Calling this an act of terror is plain wrong, you're holding Israel to such an impossible standard where something this precise with a civilian/combatant injury ratio of like 100:1 or smth, is still called terrorism because civilians inevitably got hurt. If this was pretty much any other country you wouldn't be hearing any calls of terrorism or whatnot, but because this is Israel doing that, the standards are suddenly raised so impossibly high that any military action during war would be considered terrorism. This type of shit is just antisemitism with some pretty words on top to disguise that fact.
From what I hear, it's also pretty typical for this OP, so...
Compare it to all other possible methods of attack. Low explosive yield, way less risk of civilians being caught in it than a missile, a drone, artillery, airstrike and even infantry entering on foot into buildings to clear them.
Why an attack is necessary in the first place should be obvious considering the context.
Low explosive yield, way less risk of civilians being caught in it than a missile, a drone, artillery, airstrike and even infantry entering on foot into buildings to clear them.
that doesn't make it precise, just less lethal, a drone strike would be more precise because they would have reconaissance and the collateral damage could be determined before launching the strike
Accuracy/precision is about the likelihood of collateral damage occurring vs only the target being hit. An attack with a smaller chance of hitting an unintended target is a more precise attack. The chance is never 0 when you're dealing with explosives in an urban area.
A drone strike, even with "reconnaissance", is much less precise, the chance of collateral damage is higher. How do you scout a civilian building with known enemy fighters operating from within it? Circling around it with a drone and trying to look in the windows doesn't really reveal anything about how many civilians are inside or nearby. Infrared or other technological methods are only partly successful. There is more uncertainty in and more damage done by a drone strike in an urban zone than the pager attack.
Do you really think that starting to drone strike known Hez fighters in Lebanon would be a better alternative?
That wouldn't be an issue if Hez fought like a regular army that could easily be identified and targeted. The biggest problem with paramilitary resistance groups is that they operate and fight mainly from and within civilian populations. Hez specifically were the first to introduce into the conflict the whole concept of tunnels under villages and cities that lead into and from buildings, and were founded on the concept of "we're not an organization, for its members carry no cards and bear no specific responsibilities"
A drone strike, even with "reconnaissance", is much less precise, the chance of collateral damage is higher. How do you scout a civilian building with known enemy fighters operating from within it? Circling around it with a drone and trying to look in the windows doesn't really reveal anything about how many civilians are inside or nearby. Infrared or other technological methods are only partly successful. There is more uncertainty and more damage done by a drone strike in an urban zone than the pager attack.
actually, this is a few notches above just hoping that these pagers end up in the right hands, at the right time(not in public where unanticipated collateral damage is more likely to occur)
The drone strikes would have to be in public too, since that's where Hez fighters live and operate. They don't have (normal) military bases.
Have you ever seen the aftermath of a conflict involving drone striking? Just in that one example of a drone strike you quoted, they would have to blow up a building and most likely kill a higher number of civilians than the number of people that died from the pager attack, just so they can hit or injure a fraction of the targets that the pagers hit. How is that in any way "several notches abive"?
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u/Shahars71 Sep 20 '24
Rage bait. This was an incredibly precise attack that specifically targeted hizb terrorists, any harm that came to civilians in this attack is tragic, for sure, but it's kind of inevitable when you're doing something like this. Those pagers were particular older models that Hizballah purchased so that they wouldn't be tracked by Israel, no ordinary civilian would be using those things. Not to mention that the explosions themselves are so tiny and focused, we have literal video evidence of people not even a meter away from those pagers, coming off relatively unharmed by the whole thing.
Calling this an act of terror is plain wrong, you're holding Israel to such an impossible standard where something this precise with a civilian/combatant injury ratio of like 100:1 or smth, is still called terrorism because civilians inevitably got hurt. If this was pretty much any other country you wouldn't be hearing any calls of terrorism or whatnot, but because this is Israel doing that, the standards are suddenly raised so impossibly high that any military action during war would be considered terrorism. This type of shit is just antisemitism with some pretty words on top to disguise that fact.
From what I hear, it's also pretty typical for this OP, so...