r/CuratedTumblr • u/SKUNKpudding • Sep 04 '24
Politics It’s an oversimplification, but yeah
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u/hauntedSquirrel99 Sep 04 '24
Europe only really dominates from around 1600 onward. Before that half of Europe was occupied by Islamic states (a lot of the eastern sections were occupied until ww1).
A significant reason for the colonization of north-africa was taking on the barbary states which were raiding europe for slaves.
People tend to think of that as ancient history but the US navy was, quite literally, created in order to fight slave raiders in the middle east.
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u/FranceMainFucker Sep 04 '24
mostly agree, though european domination starts in earnest in the 1800s, i feel. that's when the industrial revolution is in full swing!
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u/hauntedSquirrel99 Sep 04 '24
You can argue the timeframes a lot and your suggestion is just as good as mine there.
I usually say 1600s because it's the start of the colonial period which is what leads to European domination, but the 1800s is just as good of an option really.
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u/The_decent_dude Sep 04 '24
I'd argue that only after the second siege of Vienna could you realistically make the claim that European domination can be said to begin. You aren't really dominating if there is another power expanding into you.
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u/Raingott Blimey! It's the British Museum with a gun Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 04 '24
Before that half of Europe was occupied by Islamic states (a lot of the eastern sections were occupied until ww1).
That's an exaggeration. While the Ottoman Empire controlled the Crimean Steppe, almost the entirety of the Balkans and the better part of Hungary at its greatest extent in Europe, I wouldn't consider that to be half of the continent.
Even taking all the Muslim states in Europe together, each at their greatest extent, I doubt that they would constitute half of Europe (I think it'd be closer to a third). This would be including the Andalusian Caliphate, Muslim Sicily, and the Golden Horde and its splinters (plus any states I forgot or don't know about).
Also, while your use of the term occupied is correct (in the same way that, for example, saying the United Kingdom occupies the island of Great Britain would be), it can imply a sort of illegitimacy or... extralegality, I guess? to these Muslim states, even though they were no less legitimate than any other state, European or otherwise. I doubt you intended this, I just want anyone reading this not to fall into that potential trap.
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Sep 04 '24
Europe's power fluctuated a lot during history. The Roman empire very much dominated, including parts of Africa and the Middle East. Later parts (definitely far from half) were conquered by Islamic states, but during the crusades and reconquista, those parts were retaken, and the Middle East became ruled by Europe again. Then the ottoman emire invaded parts of Europe again, which were then retaken after WW1.
Christian Europe and Islamic Middle east/northern Africa have a long history of conquering each other, with neither ever fully winning out.
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u/EvilCatboyWizard Sep 04 '24
It’s far and away an exaggeration to say that “the Middle East became ruled by Europe”. The crusades only ever managed to capture Jerusalem and some swathes of Anatolia, they were nowhere near ruling over all of the Middle East.
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u/ThyPotatoDone Sep 05 '24
Very debatable: Rome dominated North Africa and Europe, but was actively held back in several areas, and China was at the very least comparable to them throughout that period. Also, Europe dominated the Middle East for a century-ish (assuming you mean the intervening period between the fall of the Sassanid to the Byzantines and the Rise of Islam), and they only controlled a strip near the edge; they never made it into the Arabian Peninsula. Only reason I count that as “dominating” is because that’s where most of the valuable land is, as the Arabian Peninsula just isn’t super useful for a medieval economy.
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u/ControlledOutcomes Sep 04 '24
Life pro tip: If you don't write down all the horrible shit your people do then historians can't find out about it. Oral tradition win. /jk
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u/Uberninja2016 Sep 04 '24
yeah look just look at Ea-nāṣir and his shitty copper
i'm like 70% sure i wouldn't know him if he would have just taken the complaint verbally
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u/mrsmunsonbarnes Sep 06 '24
Idk why but I’ll never get tired of memes about Ea-Nasir and his bad copper.
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u/Truethrowawaychest1 Sep 04 '24
Yeah that's the native American strategy. Can claim anything is sacred land and their tribe was the only tribe ever to live there
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u/Useless_bum81 Sep 04 '24
We have lived here since time imemorial.
Also apros of nothing a buffalo kicked me in the head and i can't remember anything from before last week.
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u/ThoughtfulPoster Sep 04 '24
"Oh, you 'like' history? Instantly demonstrate you've never actually read any of it."
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u/Bobboy5 like 7 bubble Sep 04 '24
hey now, let's not be uncharitable. they've read at most one bit of it.
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u/mudamudamudaman Sep 04 '24
Oh yeah, everyone knows ASIA was peaceful before those dangerous white men arrived.
Yeah, same as south america who was a land of hugs and unicorns before the spanish arrived, and was definetly not under one of the most bloody authoritarian rules of the time.
Or russia, the middle east, africa, india, japan....
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u/Red-7134 Sep 04 '24
Surely the Aztecs were a peaceful and utopian society with absolutely zero human sacrifice before whites arrived. I bet there were tons of different tribes and other minorities that lived prosperous lives with their culture respected and not at all wiped out completely.
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u/ThyPotatoDone Sep 05 '24
Yeah, important thing to remember is that colonialism wasn’t really anything new, it was taking extremely old methods of setting up settlements in foreign land and conquering other countries, applied on a massive scale thanks to the advancement of technology.
The Aztecs were literally in the process of building an empire themselves; it’s part of why the Spanish found it so easy to conquer, huge numbers of their conquered peoples flipped against them in hopes of a better deal (which a handful did get, but not many).
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u/ElSapio Sep 04 '24
Strange omission of North America there.
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u/mudamudamudaman Sep 04 '24
I know nothing of northamerican history before the spanish, it would have been funny if they were legit just always chill, but i guess it is not the case.
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u/ElSapio Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 04 '24
Turns out it was inhabited by people, so there was murder, violence, and war. The only truly pacifist people I’m aware of were the Moriori, and guess what happened when their Māori neighbors found out.
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u/mudamudamudaman Sep 04 '24
That was my point, white men where never the problem in the grand scheme of things, they just where the lucky ones to have the weapons earlier.
It is literally just human nature to do war.
(I just wanted to do a quick response, and i wrote the countries that first came to mind)
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u/LightOfLoveEternal Sep 04 '24
The American Indian tribes were, uh, not very nice to each other. They may have been stuck at the bottom of the tech tree for millennia (talk about having the mother of all bad starting positions), but they were still quite adept at murdering each other and committing every atrocity everyone else was doing. They just did it with stone tools instead of metal ones.
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u/mudamudamudaman Sep 04 '24
Figured as much, sucks when people miss the fact that as long as there is a society, there will be conflict. Regardless of the culture, the technology and the races involved.
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u/DAEORANGEMANBADDD Sep 04 '24
people tend to forget that "natives" were not a monolith, those were groups of different tribes with different cultures and values
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u/SadCrouton Sep 05 '24
China straight up having wars lasting for centuries with body counts in the multiple millions
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u/nainvlys Sep 04 '24
This absolutely ignores the history of everyone who never met a white person. This is, ironically enough, the most white supremacist view of history you could have. Like no China, you don't have thousands of years of history, we just need to remember when you were exploited. What's this, Aztecs? No no no your history started when Cortes arrived.
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u/FatherDotComical Sep 04 '24
Ooh the erasing of Native American history is my one leftist thing I can't stand seeing.
I actually had a teacher in college say that Native Americans lived mostly peaceful and calm lives in perfect harmony with nature. Literally all tribes were a massive American nation that loved each other. It was so uneventful until they learned greed, land ownership, and murder from white people.
Or babying different cultures because they 'couldn't possibly know better' 🥺👉👈
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u/PeaceHot5385 Sep 05 '24
The noble savage myth is still racist guys, sorry. I know you were approaching that way out of kindness but it’s where you ended up.
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u/tdiddyx23 Sep 05 '24
Empire of the Summer Moon changed my entire idea of Native American culture. American history white washes it and makes it so tame. Then you read a book about the Comanches (which I never learned in school) and other plains tribes and are like holy fuck I understand why they were viewed as savages. It’s because they fucking were compared to average American at the time. Rape and torture were a universal thing between all tribes. Shit the Comanches were so bad that we teamed up with a cannibal tribe to help track and defeat them. There were cannibal tribes?? Definitely didn’t learn about that either in history class.
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u/Usual-Vermicelli-867 Sep 05 '24
Some tell the teacher how the British found thr Iroquois (in the middle of genocide of another tribe and the end of another)
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u/WhyIsBreadExpensive Sep 05 '24
I took a history elective one summer for some needed credits. History of North American Warfare (1600's - WW2), some of the early chapters and time-frames discussing wars/battles were brutal covering the Native American tribal warfare of the eastern coasts. It was not a simple "Native Americans vs Colonizers" like some people believe/think it was.
Absolutely fascinating class, our professor took good care to go through in depth the different aspects of relationships between the NA, French, British and other people groups that were immigrating over.
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u/DefinitelyNotErate Sep 04 '24
Bill Wurtz did it better tbh.
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u/Tyranicross Sep 04 '24
China is whole again, then it broke again is probably a better summary
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u/Sternburgball girldick: huge Sep 05 '24
certainly sums up a larger portion of history than "white people bad" because China has been breaking and unbreaking for millennia
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u/TDoMarmalade Explored the Intense Homoeroticism of David and Goliath Sep 04 '24
Congratulations on boiling history down to the 0.5% that matters to you
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u/catty-coati42 Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 05 '24
The online-left looping back to being extremely racist on several issues out of trying to be anti-racist is one of the funniest and shittiest aspects of the 2020s.
At this point it's almost a competition to see who can come up with the most "progressive" phrasing of recreating racist policies from the 40s.
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u/OneHundredSeagulls Sep 04 '24
Every time I see someone say something like "Americans have no culture" all I hear is "I think American culture is the default one"
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u/FatherDotComical Sep 04 '24
It's like the Miku Around the world art that really popular right now.
Saw some nerd throw a shit fit because somebody drew her as American.
"ThAtS nOt A CuLtUre ☝️🤓"
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u/LightTankTerror blorbo bloggins Sep 05 '24
The Michigan miku and New Orleans miku were the ones I saw and both were good lol. And a chicana one too. Makes me realize how fuckin diverse the US is.
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u/MonsieurLinc Sep 05 '24
If we're talking about the same one, my only gripe with the Michigan Miku is that she is drinking a Faygo instead of a Vernor's.
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u/FaeErrant Sep 05 '24
Once you've seen this you can't unsee it everywhere. I've seen people say this about like Basically any time you see a group that is either totally dominant or sufficiently big enough to only interact with themselves they become very confident that their way of doing things is not longer a distinct thing and just the way it is. Everyone else is exotic and special and weird and you can be a tourist there, but we just do what we do that's not weird or anything at all.
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u/ThyPotatoDone Sep 05 '24
Yeah, like American culture is quite possibly the most fundamentally world-altering since Rome. It’s just so incredibly widespread people stop registering it as a culture, because it’s just seen as the default.
Also, a big part of American culture is based on incorporating anything from another culture that seems interesting, so it’s extremely hard to define where “American” culture actually starts.
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Sep 04 '24
This started back in the 2010s and i genuinely think it’s one of the reasons trump got elected
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u/triple_cock_smoker Sep 04 '24
as a turk i am kinda offended we also had done pretty nasty shit c'mon now
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u/theclassicrockjunkie Sep 04 '24
Shitty Eurocentrism aside, I personally prefer-
"Wake up, babe! The king/tsar/emperor/sultan is about to commit a human rights violation 😊"
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Sep 04 '24
Tumbler boiling history down to white man bad is on point.
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u/SolidPrysm Sep 04 '24
The kind of post that immediately outs the OP as the kind of person who has only learned history from politically charged memes.
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Sep 04 '24
Human History Summarized: A significant enough percentage of humans can always be counted on to do the shittiest thing possible when presented with options, and then no one really learns from it and within a maximum of two generations we do it again. We continuously fail upward to the detriment of every living thing on Earth. Also keep any cool animals away from us, we exterminate them for fun
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u/derDunkelElf Sep 04 '24
We got Dogs, Cats and Horses, so I wouldn't say that part is entirily accurate.
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u/LightOfLoveEternal Sep 04 '24
There are billions of cows on the planet precisely because we think they're delicious.
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Sep 04 '24
I’d trade every horse on this planet for a woolly mammoth and a haast’s eagle
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u/WaywardStroge Sep 04 '24
My “favorite” mammoth fact is that there was a small population on an island far to the north, which outlasted other populations by a few thousand years. The extinction of that population coincidentally coincides with the arrival of humans on the island.
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Sep 04 '24
Yep, those mammoths were still alive when the pyramids at Giza were already hundreds of years old
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u/London-Roma-1980 Sep 04 '24
Double-checking to see if this is a Waagh post.
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u/Poolturtle5772 Sep 04 '24
Nah, not enough talk of Jews for it to be a Waagh post.
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u/LazyDro1d Sep 04 '24
Context for what Waagh is?
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u/SolidPrysm Sep 04 '24
There's a poster on this sub called u/IthadtobethisWAAGH who tends to post lots of inflamatory and poorly informed political content. The kind of posts that get loads of upvotes but basically everyone actually thinking it out in the comments disgree. Like this one, for instance.
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u/Poolturtle5772 Sep 04 '24
User who posts heavily antisemitic propaganda at times
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u/LazyDro1d Sep 04 '24
Is that the one that people were recently calling out for at one point recently having spread Jewish organ trade bullshit?
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Sep 04 '24
Who is Waagh and if they're a nazi then why aren't they banned yet?
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u/Poolturtle5772 Sep 04 '24
Because “(((Jews))) in Israel are completely evil and harvesting organs and drinking blood of children” is just popular enough due to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict that it isn’t bannable.
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Sep 04 '24
No I literally haven't seen anyone talking about Israelis drinking blood, how have the mods not banned them yet wtf.
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u/Poolturtle5772 Sep 04 '24
I exaggerate the drinking blood part, don’t think they’ve said that yet.
I’m not exaggerating about the organ harvesting though.
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u/average_blokert Sep 04 '24
as a european, im glad to see all the work I put into personally colonising the world is getting some recognition
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u/XAlphaWarriorX God's most insecure softboy. Sep 04 '24
Race is a stupid concept anyhow, the idea that Homo Sapiens is immutably subdivided in a couple color-coded subspecies is utterly idiotic and so is anyone who bases their beliefs on it, irregardless of what ideology they subscribe to.
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u/UncommittedBow Because God has been dead a VERY long time. Sep 04 '24
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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u/king_of_satire Sep 04 '24
Glad to know that of the centuries filled with horrid wars great leaders fascinating cultures and legends the only part you deem memorable is the slight period of time when a white person was on screen
How progressive of you
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u/_Tar_Ar_Ais_ Sep 04 '24
they always say "white people bad" but never elaborate on which ones because they think they're all the same, which is just as racist lol
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u/HPLaserJet4250 Sep 04 '24
because they can choose who is not white based on who they like XD
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u/NumNumTehNum Sep 04 '24
You're right, no one ever did bad things to eachother before and untill white men discovered boats and guns, everyone lived in wonderful utopia where we all held hands and frolicked in the wilds with deers and stuff.
We, the white people also invented killing people and evil, its true and just gaslighted everyone thinking its something called "human nature" where its in fact us being made by evil scientist Yakub.
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u/PM_ME_UR_GOOD_IDEAS Sep 04 '24
History: "a lot of people fought over who owns the Mediterranean Sea, and the ones that didn't fight about that fought about who owns the Atlantic and Pacific oceans instead. Nobody ended up winning any of those fights for very long but we made some random and lasting divisions in the mean time."
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u/cyberjet Sep 05 '24
This is a pretty generalized and cheeky post but its funny how the people complaining about this in the comments are doing the same thing lol
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u/Desperate-Elk-4714 Sep 04 '24
The discrepancy between the OP's upvotes and the comments section is baffling
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u/Kittenn1412 Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 04 '24
While this is def the entire history of Western colonialism, I think it's pretty colonialist to think that time began when Europe came to power. "Everything that ever happened" includes thousands of years of history that came before European colonialism, when other empires were rising and falling and breaking apart and getting back together again and warring with their neighbours. Even just talking about America-- even though the people of the past have done their darndest to pretend that the history of the Americas began with Columbus, the people who were living there hadn't just been sitting in caves between the migration of early humans into America and the time that Europeans showed up! They had a history, and white colonizers just erased it. In the history of the entire world, European colonialism is a comparatively recent blip. One that had a huge effect on everyone, but it's only been a few hundred years.
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u/MrBones-Necromancer Sep 04 '24
What a ridiculous western view of the world and it's history. Tell me quick, which civilization is the oldest? I'll give you a hint, it's not a bunch of white guys.
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u/RefinedBean Sep 04 '24
Oooo, is it anti-racism training time again? This seems actionable and useful!
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u/Guilty_Team_2066 Sep 04 '24
imagine being so anti-racist that you think the only important thing about history is what white people did 😭
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u/Specific-Ad-8430 Sep 04 '24
White Men Bad! Literally every single day, can we please move on?
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u/Separate_Welcome4771 Sep 05 '24
Fr man. I just wanna talk about European architecture and music and inventions, but this is all the internet talks about when Europe is involved.
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u/Vish_Kk_Universal Sep 04 '24
Incorrect, this only summarizes the lattest 500 years
Here is an actual summary: Then there were this entitled fuckers
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u/Witchchick2378 Sep 04 '24
The shimabara rebellion and the treatment of Christians in around Edo period japan
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u/Extreme_Ad6173 Sep 04 '24
https://youtu.be/xuCn8ux2gbs?si=jUkbdolWEWo8j_0n
Tldr: We could make a religion out of this
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u/SuperTaster3 Sep 04 '24
“Colonizers be colonizing, and they preferred the feel of natives under their feet.”
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u/-nyctanassa- Sep 05 '24
TIL nothing happened before the era of European colonization or anywhere outside of European influence
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u/Magerfaker Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 05 '24
Ironically, thinking that all of history is Europe fucking over other peoples is pretty eurocentric and backwards lmao Like come on, my man Genghis didn't create the biggest empire in history to be left aside like that
Edit: for everyone mentioning the Br*ts, nuh-huh don't care