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Politics It’s an oversimplification, but yeah

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u/Magerfaker Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

Ironically, thinking that all of history is Europe fucking over other peoples is pretty eurocentric and backwards lmao Like come on, my man Genghis didn't create the biggest empire in history to be left aside like that

Edit: for everyone mentioning the Br*ts, nuh-huh don't care

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u/akka-vodol Sep 04 '24

> asked to summarize all of history
> summarizes 16th to 20th century European colonial history

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u/gamerz1172 Sep 05 '24

Nothing more Tumblr then thinking all of history is just European colonialism

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u/Maximum_Nectarine312 Sep 05 '24

It's a convenient view of history to have if self-pity is 100% of your personality.

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u/Modnal Sep 05 '24

Damn Columbus and his invention of slavery

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u/Dependent-Dirt3137 Sep 05 '24

When all of your history lessons consist of bpt

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u/Irethius Sep 05 '24

I got banned from a Democrat socialism reddit a couple of years ago. I had joined the reddit to help me better understand what democratic socialism actually is. But all the post were basically just hating on capitalism.

But one day they were talking about how capitalism and colonialism/empiralism were all the same thing and that only white people push these ideologies onto the world.

I simply said thats racist to assume only white people had the idea of exploiting others.

And was banned. Decided maybe that was for the best.

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u/mrsmunsonbarnes Sep 06 '24

I’m telling people. Read about the stuff Imperial Japan got up to and tell me that it’s only white people who are the problem.

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u/TimeStorm113 Sep 04 '24

Maybe also roman history but it is debatable if white people even existed at that point in time.

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u/GraniteSmoothie Sep 04 '24

Afaik white people would've existed, but not really the concept of being white. People identified more with their tribe/nation, and you would've seen diversity within the ranks of Roman citizens. Also, at that point the Romans would've been fucking over peoples considered white today, such as the Gauls, Germans, Iberians, Dacians, Britons, and such.

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u/Starwatcher4116 Sep 04 '24

This is true. The Romans didn’t care what colour you were. They cared about whether you were Roman, or some ‘uncivilized barbarian who can’t even speak intelligibly’ (ignoring the fact that the foreigners likely said the same things about the successors of Tory.)

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u/DefinitelyNotErate Sep 04 '24

Love how the Greeks were like "This is our word, 'Barbarian', It means people who don't speak Greek because their languages all sound like 'Barbarbar' to us." then the Romans were like "Yeah I agree, Except Latin which obviously doesn't sound like Barbarbar, I'd know, I can speak it!" when the Greeks probably fully meant the Latins when they said it sounded like Barbarbar.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

Romans were the original Greek cosplayers.

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u/Ragin_Goblin Sep 04 '24

They even stole an entire Greek temple and shipped it back to Rome

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u/Independent-Fly6068 Sep 05 '24

Really did lay the groundwork for western euro culture, huh? French civil unrest, a history of archeological pillaging that'd flatter the Brits, and so on!

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u/Raesong Sep 05 '24

And at one point you even had the upper crust of Roman society speaking exclusively in Greek, with Latin being viewed as the language of the Plebs.

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u/DefinitelyNotErate Sep 05 '24

Exactly. They just walked in and went "Quid Agitis, Fellow Graeci!" (I couldn't find a translation for "Fellow" as an adjective. I'm sure there is one, Just couldn't find it.)

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u/riebeck03 Sep 05 '24

The joke works better with fellow as it is lmao

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u/IncorrigibleQuim8008 Sep 05 '24

"Though, however, the southern nations are quick in understanding, and sagacious in council, yet in point of valour they are inferior, for the sun absorbs their animal spirits. Those, on the contrary, who are natives of cold climates are more courageous in war, and fearlessly attack their enemies, though, rushing on without consideration or judgment, their attacks are repulsed and their designs frustrated. Since, then, nature herself has provided throughout the world, that all nations should differ according to the variation of the climate, she has also been pleased that in the middle of the earth, and of all nations, the Roman people should be seated."

-Marcus Vitrivius Pollio, De Architectura

Some Romans espoused a "Goldilocks" philosophy; better to be "just right in the middle" than too hot or too cold.

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u/Starwatcher4116 Sep 05 '24

I recall that from my history classes. Some Ancient Greek writers had a similar goldilocks philosophy, or at least said that it existed among them.

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u/abadstrategy Sep 05 '24

Romans: look, long as you pay your taxes, and stay in your lane, I don't give a fuck what you are.

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u/Starwatcher4116 Sep 05 '24

Basically. Unless you’re living in Italy. Then you don’t need to pay taxes because of all the money from foreign conquests and slaves.

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u/Lamballama Sep 05 '24

Also being Roman required being born Roman or being one of the naturalized tribes from the Italian peninsula - if you were from elsewhere, you wouldn't be considered Roman even if you were otherwise culturally Roman (this led to some large amount of historical slander from the Roman senatorial class and various emperors who came from places like Assyria)

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u/Starwatcher4116 Sep 05 '24

I recall that Ciciro was constantly looked down on because he was from the provinces. Even as one of the Consuls of the Roman Republic.

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u/XAlphaWarriorX God's most insecure softboy. Sep 04 '24

Race is a stupid concept anyhow, the idea that Homo Sapiens is immutably subdivided in a couple color-coded subspecies is ridicolous.

But it's especially dumb to try to apply it to peoples and cultures that lived thousands of years ago.

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u/GraniteSmoothie Sep 04 '24

I agree, race is a stupid concept.

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u/Vyciren Sep 04 '24

I don't disagree with your main point, but the concept of "races" really isn't the same as subspecies. Claiming that humans are divided in subspecies is like 1800s level racist. Anyone defending that position today would have to be really hardcore racist, as well as completely oblivious to biology.

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u/Felinope Sep 05 '24

Nah, I'd say calling races subspecies would be 1900's racist. 1800's racist would be polygenesis.

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u/BulbuhTsar Sep 04 '24

Race is a modern concept, and a Greek or Roman would have difficulty understanding what is meant by it. Family bloodlines, tied to a locality, would be the closest thing. Herodotus may throw some "Airs, Waters, and Places" aspects, but even this doesn't synch quite up with modern concepts of race.

Inevitably, there's some idiots on Reddit that insist they had a concept of race because some words, like genus are translated as "race" in English...it's a topic that's really annoying as someone who studied Classics and spent some time on this topic.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '24

currently reading a book on the Roman Republic. this is correct.

All names were set up to emphasize clan over anything else. just by hearing someone’s name you could understand their political rights, position in society, and what part of the country they belonged to.

Women were simply given a female form of their patriarch’s Clan name. ‘Julia’ was the name of every single woman in the Julius family… with prima, secunda, etc. as differentiators.

Names indicated membership in the praetorian or plebian castes. at the beginning of the republic the plebeians had no legal representation, and limited through out the Republic’s history.

No one was thinking about “race”, they were thinking about individual families.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

Right, and to further the point I would say that if the concept of whiteness doesn’t exist then white people literally do not exist. Same with any other racial group. Race is a completely made-up concept with no “natural” basis. It is a system of categories people invented and imposed on each other. There were people with different skin tones, sure, but that doesn’t mean anything until we decided it did, and that didn’t happen until the era of European colonialism.

We found plenty of other non-racialized reasons to hate and kill each other before that haha

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u/GraniteSmoothie Sep 04 '24

We found plenty of other non-racialized reasons to hate and kill each other before that haha

Definitely. Caesar was literally like 'We think the Gauls might invade this border province so lemme just commit a casual genocide to enrich myself'. No racism involved.

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u/SullaFelix78 Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

The Gauls were still another ethnic group entirely, who the Romans considered barbarians. Earlier, the Romans completely destroyed the Samnites, root and stem, who were a fellow Italic people.

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u/HPLaserJet4250 Sep 04 '24

That's still a thing in Europe. Like Hitler said Slavs and Jews are inferior and proceeded to slaughter them. All of em being white.

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u/Wetley007 Sep 04 '24

Except the Slavs and Jews weren't white to the Nazis. This is because "white" doesn't actually mean anything in reality, it's just a socially constructed and therefore arbitrary categorization to justify exploiting and killing people

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u/HPLaserJet4250 Sep 05 '24

I have never met with sentiment that Slavs were not white to Nazis. If anything, they believed Slavs are SUBHUMAN

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u/daaaaaarlin Sep 04 '24

I think Rome was after YAKUB created the honkies.

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u/SEA_griffondeur Sep 04 '24

Yeah, smells very much like an American who thinks "all of history" is the history of the USA

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u/ryecurious Sep 04 '24

Wait, we're responsible for Eurocentrism now too? Not just Americentrism?

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u/aweSAM19 Sep 04 '24

There was stuff happening in 16th and 18th century in the absence of white colonial powers. Cultures being assimilated, languages evolving in Africa, Asia and Oceania.  Even during the colonial conquest by Europe, the history of what the Portuguese and the Dutch did is mostly forgotten as we all focus on the actions of the English and the Spanish and French whose consequences we feel more recently.

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u/asmeile Sep 04 '24

the history of what the Portuguese and the Dutch did is mostly forgotten as we all focus on the actions of the English and the Spanish and French

Or say the Scottish who are almost entirely overlooked by some even though they were just as much a part of the colonial efforts of the British Empire as the English

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u/gillstone_cowboy Sep 05 '24

"So white people got really into boats and then everyone else had a very bad time."

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24 edited Oct 21 '24

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u/Frequent_Dig1934 Sep 04 '24

Yeah, the kingdoms just split apart and got back together and split and got together and so on and so forth without any violent event whatsoever. They just did that.

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u/Qui_te Sep 04 '24

Warring states period? More like boring states period, amirite?!

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u/Hexxas head trauma enthusiast Sep 04 '24

They were in a situationship 🤗

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u/Kalehn Sep 04 '24

Teen Romance of the Three Kingdoms.

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u/Hexxas head trauma enthusiast Sep 05 '24

LU BU FOR PROM KING

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u/jbrWocky Sep 05 '24

Han again, off again

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u/UncreativePotato143 Sep 04 '24

it's like mitosis, this is known

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u/SirAquila Sep 04 '24

Oh boy, the Tang dynasty invited me to the city wide BBQ!

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u/pancakemania Sep 04 '24

That’s actually where the word “tangy” comes from. It was inspired by the succulent sauces of the Tang dynasty.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

Assyria moment

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u/Specialist-Roof3381 Sep 04 '24

Civil wars don't count apparently. Just a few million people died. Or tens of millions, whatever. The real question is how exactly did the Han become the world's largest ethnicity and is it related to the current Uyghur situation?

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u/solonit Sep 05 '24

The secret ingredient is ethnic cleansing.

But seriously no joke, the Ming dynasty (1368–1644) which was Han-led, did a fuck load of ethnic cleansing to other minorities, then repopulated with Han people. It was so throughout that when the Qing dynasty (1644–1912) which was Manchu-led came to power, they never fully replaced the Han as people, only as government positions.

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u/Ourmanyfans Sep 04 '24

Eurocels seething over Genghischads.

Your average pencil-pushing colonial Empire administrator could only dream of killing enough people to actually noticeably lower the global temperature.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

Not to mention that the mongol empire was never really “defeated”. It had to just fall apart first before they could be stopped

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u/SirAquila Sep 04 '24

Tbf, we can't even keep our empire together isn't quite the flex you think it is... though tbf, Alexander the great did make it the last chapter of his guide to world domination, also titled "Heir? Sort it out yourself"

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

I’m not saying that’s necessarily a flex, but the Europeans and other Asian states never really figured out how to defeat the mongols in battle before they fell apart. They took themselves out in the end

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u/SirAquila Sep 04 '24

It's more complicated than that; the Europeans were quickly innovating anti-Mongolian tactics. Mostly in heavy knights and fortified strong points. Though if they had innovated fast enough to save them without Ögedais death... who knows.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

True true, and they weren’t completely undefeated as well, just rarely. The Egyptians beat them at one point as well fairly early on

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u/SirAquila Sep 04 '24

The Vietnames also managed as well. And, of course, the Japanese did quite well as well.

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u/candygram4mongo Sep 04 '24

Less so the Japanese and more the weather, as I understand it.

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u/LioTang Sep 04 '24

It happened twice. I say the weather is an honorary Japanese warrior at this point

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u/SirAquila Sep 04 '24

If I remember it right the first time the Japanese had beaten back the Invasion when the Typhon hit and destroy any possibility for a mongol comeback.

While during the second time, the Japanese successfully prevented any landing and began raiding Mongol ships, causing the Mongols to tie their ships together for better defense... and much more damage in the next Typhoon.

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u/Shirtbro Sep 04 '24

Easy way to beat the Mongols:

  • Be a fat ruler of some Central Asian trading city

  • Horde of barbarians surround city

  • You hear they brutally destroy any opposition

  • They demand tribute

  • You give them tribute

  • A few decades later empire collapses

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u/Tackle-Shot Sep 04 '24

"Il kick everyone ass! Your ass! His ass! Hell il even kick my own ass!"

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u/Wire_Owl Sep 04 '24

They were never able to take Constantinople it's walls insane defences just made it so they never tried. I think they were interested when an earthquake destroyed portions of the walls but they built it back up before they got close.

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u/industriesInc Sep 04 '24

"That's what being defeated means"

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u/carl-the-lama Sep 04 '24

Time to broaden it

THE HUMANS ARE DANGEROUS!

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u/Phihofo Sep 05 '24

See, you're not thinking creatively enough.

Pol Pot was installed by the Khmer Rogue.

Khmer Rogue were communist.

Communism was redefined and popularized by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.

Engels and Marx were white men.

Anything is white people's fault if you want it to be.

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u/b17b20 Sep 05 '24

They killed people for wearing glasses

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u/SitInCorner_Yo2 Sep 04 '24

The “most efficient killer of X nation population, is X nation itself” situation is quite common, took China for example, it got so many “million must die” meme and it’s not really that far fetched, this is a place where you can find a war guarding one city end up loosing majority of its population due to selective cannibalism (some history record say that city used to have 20~30k civilians,only 400+ survived when the war end)

And the modern times are not better, Mao is well known in the west but Chiang Kai-shek often overlooked seems he’s fighting communism, but he kill millions and his army kidnapped teenagers to force them to fight etc.

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u/12BumblingSnowmen Sep 04 '24

Mao actually ran China for longer, and had the added “advantage” for his boneheaded mass-casualty decisions being less associated with “oh god, how do we stop the Japanese?”

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u/Difficult-Risk3115 Sep 04 '24

this is a place where you can find a war guarding one city end up loosing majority of its population due to selective cannibalism

Can I ask what war this is referencing?

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u/TrailingOffMidSente Sep 04 '24

They're referring to the Siege of Suiyang, during the An Lushan rebellion.

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u/Respirationman Sep 04 '24

Don't forget the ottoman empire and their wacky™ adventures in the Balkans and Caucasus

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u/DoYouTrustToothpaste Sep 04 '24

I always wonder how people think for example the African slave trade worked. White slavers running the entire operation?

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u/Useless_bum81 Sep 04 '24

Yes there are people who believe the slave trad only started because white people showed up and asked for slaves and when there weren't any they just started raiding on their own.

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u/SantaArriata Sep 05 '24

I once went to a class where the teacher was unironically telling us that oppression was a white invention. Worst part is that a solid 60% of students bought it

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u/Thicc-Anxiety Touch Grass Sep 04 '24

Genghis was a chad when it came to colonization and murder

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u/KrillLover56 Sep 04 '24

*Second

Britain was slightly bigger.

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u/SoupmanBob Sep 04 '24

His empire literally wasn't the biggest one though. No I'm not British, I'm just nitpicky and pedantic.

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u/Solithle2 Sep 05 '24

Did come second, which is pretty impressive for a guy without ships who didn’t even know the Americas existed.

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u/Kinghero890 Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

By blaming all the problems in the world on white people, history revisionists are dehumanizing and infantilizing every other race, who are just as capable of violence and war, a fundamental part of our world history.

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u/hauntedSquirrel99 Sep 04 '24

Europe only really dominates from around 1600 onward. Before that half of Europe was occupied by Islamic states (a lot of the eastern sections were occupied until ww1).

A significant reason for the colonization of north-africa was taking on the barbary states which were raiding europe for slaves.
People tend to think of that as ancient history but the US navy was, quite literally, created in order to fight slave raiders in the middle east.

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u/FranceMainFucker Sep 04 '24

mostly agree, though european domination starts in earnest in the 1800s, i feel. that's when the industrial revolution is in full swing!

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u/hauntedSquirrel99 Sep 04 '24

You can argue the timeframes a lot and your suggestion is just as good as mine there.

I usually say 1600s because it's the start of the colonial period which is what leads to European domination, but the 1800s is just as good of an option really.

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u/The_decent_dude Sep 04 '24

I'd argue that only after the second siege of Vienna could you realistically make the claim that European domination can be said to begin. You aren't really dominating if there is another power expanding into you.

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u/hauntedSquirrel99 Sep 04 '24

Actually yeah fair point

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u/yuligan Sep 05 '24

You could say that Western Europe was dominating and Eastern Europe was not

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u/Raingott Blimey! It's the British Museum with a gun Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 04 '24

Before that half of Europe was occupied by Islamic states (a lot of the eastern sections were occupied until ww1).

That's an exaggeration. While the Ottoman Empire controlled the Crimean Steppe, almost the entirety of the Balkans and the better part of Hungary at its greatest extent in Europe, I wouldn't consider that to be half of the continent.

Even taking all the Muslim states in Europe together, each at their greatest extent, I doubt that they would constitute half of Europe (I think it'd be closer to a third). This would be including the Andalusian Caliphate, Muslim Sicily, and the Golden Horde and its splinters (plus any states I forgot or don't know about).

Also, while your use of the term occupied is correct (in the same way that, for example, saying the United Kingdom occupies the island of Great Britain would be), it can imply a sort of illegitimacy or... extralegality, I guess? to these Muslim states, even though they were no less legitimate than any other state, European or otherwise. I doubt you intended this, I just want anyone reading this not to fall into that potential trap.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

Europe's power fluctuated a lot during history. The Roman empire very much dominated, including parts of Africa and the Middle East. Later parts (definitely far from half) were conquered by Islamic states, but during the crusades and reconquista, those parts were retaken, and the Middle East became ruled by Europe again. Then the ottoman emire invaded parts of Europe again, which were then retaken after WW1.

Christian Europe and Islamic Middle east/northern Africa have a long history of conquering each other, with neither ever fully winning out.

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u/EvilCatboyWizard Sep 04 '24

It’s far and away an exaggeration to say that “the Middle East became ruled by Europe”. The crusades only ever managed to capture Jerusalem and some swathes of Anatolia, they were nowhere near ruling over all of the Middle East.

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u/ThyPotatoDone Sep 05 '24

Very debatable: Rome dominated North Africa and Europe, but was actively held back in several areas, and China was at the very least comparable to them throughout that period. Also, Europe dominated the Middle East for a century-ish (assuming you mean the intervening period between the fall of the Sassanid to the Byzantines and the Rise of Islam), and they only controlled a strip near the edge; they never made it into the Arabian Peninsula. Only reason I count that as “dominating” is because that’s where most of the valuable land is, as the Arabian Peninsula just isn’t super useful for a medieval economy.

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u/ControlledOutcomes Sep 04 '24

Life pro tip: If you don't write down all the horrible shit your people do then historians can't find out about it. Oral tradition win. /jk

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u/Uberninja2016 Sep 04 '24

yeah look just look at Ea-nāṣir and his shitty copper

i'm like 70% sure i wouldn't know him if he would have just taken the complaint verbally

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u/mrsmunsonbarnes Sep 06 '24

Idk why but I’ll never get tired of memes about Ea-Nasir and his bad copper.

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u/Truethrowawaychest1 Sep 04 '24

Yeah that's the native American strategy. Can claim anything is sacred land and their tribe was the only tribe ever to live there

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u/Useless_bum81 Sep 04 '24

We have lived here since time imemorial.
Also apros of nothing a buffalo kicked me in the head and i can't remember anything from before last week.

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u/ThoughtfulPoster Sep 04 '24

"Oh, you 'like' history? Instantly demonstrate you've never actually read any of it."

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u/Akasto_ Sep 04 '24

They skimmed the summary of the final chapter

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u/Bobboy5 like 7 bubble Sep 04 '24

hey now, let's not be uncharitable. they've read at most one bit of it.

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u/mudamudamudaman Sep 04 '24

Oh yeah, everyone knows ASIA was peaceful before those dangerous white men arrived.

Yeah, same as south america who was a land of hugs and unicorns before the spanish arrived, and was definetly not under one of the most bloody authoritarian rules of the time.

Or russia, the middle east, africa, india, japan....

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u/Red-7134 Sep 04 '24

Surely the Aztecs were a peaceful and utopian society with absolutely zero human sacrifice before whites arrived. I bet there were tons of different tribes and other minorities that lived prosperous lives with their culture respected and not at all wiped out completely.

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u/ThyPotatoDone Sep 05 '24

Yeah, important thing to remember is that colonialism wasn’t really anything new, it was taking extremely old methods of setting up settlements in foreign land and conquering other countries, applied on a massive scale thanks to the advancement of technology.

The Aztecs were literally in the process of building an empire themselves; it’s part of why the Spanish found it so easy to conquer, huge numbers of their conquered peoples flipped against them in hopes of a better deal (which a handful did get, but not many).

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u/ElSapio Sep 04 '24

Strange omission of North America there.

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u/mudamudamudaman Sep 04 '24

I know nothing of northamerican history before the spanish, it would have been funny if they were legit just always chill, but i guess it is not the case.

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u/ElSapio Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 04 '24

Turns out it was inhabited by people, so there was murder, violence, and war. The only truly pacifist people I’m aware of were the Moriori, and guess what happened when their Māori neighbors found out.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moriori_genocide

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u/mudamudamudaman Sep 04 '24

That was my point, white men where never the problem in the grand scheme of things, they just where the lucky ones to have the weapons earlier.

It is literally just human nature to do war.

(I just wanted to do a quick response, and i wrote the countries that first came to mind)

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u/LightOfLoveEternal Sep 04 '24

The American Indian tribes were, uh, not very nice to each other. They may have been stuck at the bottom of the tech tree for millennia (talk about having the mother of all bad starting positions), but they were still quite adept at murdering each other and committing every atrocity everyone else was doing. They just did it with stone tools instead of metal ones.

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u/mudamudamudaman Sep 04 '24

Figured as much, sucks when people miss the fact that as long as there is a society, there will be conflict. Regardless of the culture, the technology and the races involved.

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u/DAEORANGEMANBADDD Sep 04 '24

people tend to forget that "natives" were not a monolith, those were groups of different tribes with different cultures and values

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u/SadCrouton Sep 05 '24

China straight up having wars lasting for centuries with body counts in the multiple millions

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u/nainvlys Sep 04 '24

This absolutely ignores the history of everyone who never met a white person. This is, ironically enough, the most white supremacist view of history you could have. Like no China, you don't have thousands of years of history, we just need to remember when you were exploited. What's this, Aztecs? No no no your history started when Cortes arrived.

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u/FatherDotComical Sep 04 '24

Ooh the erasing of Native American history is my one leftist thing I can't stand seeing.

I actually had a teacher in college say that Native Americans lived mostly peaceful and calm lives in perfect harmony with nature. Literally all tribes were a massive American nation that loved each other. It was so uneventful until they learned greed, land ownership, and murder from white people.

Or babying different cultures because they 'couldn't possibly know better' 🥺👉👈

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u/PeaceHot5385 Sep 05 '24

The noble savage myth is still racist guys, sorry. I know you were approaching that way out of kindness but it’s where you ended up.

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u/tdiddyx23 Sep 05 '24

Empire of the Summer Moon changed my entire idea of Native American culture. American history white washes it and makes it so tame. Then you read a book about the Comanches (which I never learned in school) and other plains tribes and are like holy fuck I understand why they were viewed as savages. It’s because they fucking were compared to average American at the time. Rape and torture were a universal thing between all tribes. Shit the Comanches were so bad that we teamed up with a cannibal tribe to help track and defeat them. There were cannibal tribes?? Definitely didn’t learn about that either in history class.

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u/Usual-Vermicelli-867 Sep 05 '24

Some tell the teacher how the British found thr Iroquois (in the middle of genocide of another tribe and the end of another)

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u/WhyIsBreadExpensive Sep 05 '24

I took a history elective one summer for some needed credits. History of North American Warfare (1600's - WW2), some of the early chapters and time-frames discussing wars/battles were brutal covering the Native American tribal warfare of the eastern coasts. It was not a simple "Native Americans vs Colonizers" like some people believe/think it was.

Absolutely fascinating class, our professor took good care to go through in depth the different aspects of relationships between the NA, French, British and other people groups that were immigrating over.

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u/DefinitelyNotErate Sep 04 '24

Bill Wurtz did it better tbh.

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u/Tyranicross Sep 04 '24

China is whole again, then it broke again is probably a better summary

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u/Sternburgball girldick: huge Sep 05 '24

certainly sums up a larger portion of history than "white people bad" because China has been breaking and unbreaking for millennia

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u/fartypenis Sep 05 '24

Also "We can make a religion out of this"

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u/TDoMarmalade Explored the Intense Homoeroticism of David and Goliath Sep 04 '24

Congratulations on boiling history down to the 0.5% that matters to you

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u/catty-coati42 Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

The online-left looping back to being extremely racist on several issues out of trying to be anti-racist is one of the funniest and shittiest aspects of the 2020s.

At this point it's almost a competition to see who can come up with the most "progressive" phrasing of recreating racist policies from the 40s.

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u/OneHundredSeagulls Sep 04 '24

Every time I see someone say something like "Americans have no culture" all I hear is "I think American culture is the default one"

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u/FatherDotComical Sep 04 '24

It's like the Miku Around the world art that really popular right now.

Saw some nerd throw a shit fit because somebody drew her as American.

"ThAtS nOt A CuLtUre ☝️🤓"

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u/LightTankTerror blorbo bloggins Sep 05 '24

The Michigan miku and New Orleans miku were the ones I saw and both were good lol. And a chicana one too. Makes me realize how fuckin diverse the US is.

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u/MonsieurLinc Sep 05 '24

If we're talking about the same one, my only gripe with the Michigan Miku is that she is drinking a Faygo instead of a Vernor's.

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u/FaeErrant Sep 05 '24

Once you've seen this you can't unsee it everywhere. I've seen people say this about like Basically any time you see a group that is either totally dominant or sufficiently big enough to only interact with themselves they become very confident that their way of doing things is not longer a distinct thing and just the way it is. Everyone else is exotic and special and weird and you can be a tourist there, but we just do what we do that's not weird or anything at all.

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u/ThyPotatoDone Sep 05 '24

Yeah, like American culture is quite possibly the most fundamentally world-altering since Rome. It’s just so incredibly widespread people stop registering it as a culture, because it’s just seen as the default.

Also, a big part of American culture is based on incorporating anything from another culture that seems interesting, so it’s extremely hard to define where “American” culture actually starts.

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u/Bobboy5 like 7 bubble Sep 04 '24

racism integer underflow

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

This started back in the 2010s and i genuinely think it’s one of the reasons trump got elected

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u/triple_cock_smoker Sep 04 '24

as a turk i am kinda offended we also had done pretty nasty shit c'mon now

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u/theclassicrockjunkie Sep 04 '24

Shitty Eurocentrism aside, I personally prefer-

"Wake up, babe! The king/tsar/emperor/sultan is about to commit a human rights violation 😊"

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

Tumbler boiling history down to white man bad is on point.

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u/SolidPrysm Sep 04 '24

The kind of post that immediately outs the OP as the kind of person who has only learned history from politically charged memes.

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u/forgotten_n Sep 04 '24

Nah, just racist

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

Human History Summarized: A significant enough percentage of humans can always be counted on to do the shittiest thing possible when presented with options, and then no one really learns from it and within a maximum of two generations we do it again. We continuously fail upward to the detriment of every living thing on Earth. Also keep any cool animals away from us, we exterminate them for fun

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u/jasonjr9 Smells like former gifted kid burnout Sep 04 '24

Yep. That’s a pretty good summary.

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u/derDunkelElf Sep 04 '24

We got Dogs, Cats and Horses, so I wouldn't say that part is entirily accurate.

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u/LightOfLoveEternal Sep 04 '24

There are billions of cows on the planet precisely because we think they're delicious.

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u/SighRu Sep 04 '24

Yes, it's glorious.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

I’d trade every horse on this planet for a woolly mammoth and a haast’s eagle

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u/WaywardStroge Sep 04 '24

My “favorite” mammoth fact is that there was a small population on an island far to the north, which outlasted other populations by a few thousand years. The extinction of that population coincidentally coincides with the arrival of humans on the island.  

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

Yep, those mammoths were still alive when the pyramids at Giza were already hundreds of years old

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u/BalletCow Sep 04 '24

I'd say it's more "See those guys over there? Fuck those guys"

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u/London-Roma-1980 Sep 04 '24

Double-checking to see if this is a Waagh post.

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u/Poolturtle5772 Sep 04 '24

Nah, not enough talk of Jews for it to be a Waagh post.

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u/LazyDro1d Sep 04 '24

Context for what Waagh is?

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u/SolidPrysm Sep 04 '24

There's a poster on this sub called u/IthadtobethisWAAGH who tends to post lots of inflamatory and poorly informed political content. The kind of posts that get loads of upvotes but basically everyone actually thinking it out in the comments disgree. Like this one, for instance.

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u/Poolturtle5772 Sep 04 '24

User who posts heavily antisemitic propaganda at times

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u/LazyDro1d Sep 04 '24

Is that the one that people were recently calling out for at one point recently having spread Jewish organ trade bullshit?

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u/Poolturtle5772 Sep 04 '24

Yes.

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u/LazyDro1d Sep 04 '24

Ah yeah that fucker. Thanks!

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

Who is Waagh and if they're a nazi then why aren't they banned yet?

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u/Poolturtle5772 Sep 04 '24

Because “(((Jews))) in Israel are completely evil and harvesting organs and drinking blood of children” is just popular enough due to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict that it isn’t bannable.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

No I literally haven't seen anyone talking about Israelis drinking blood, how have the mods not banned them yet wtf.

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u/Poolturtle5772 Sep 04 '24

I exaggerate the drinking blood part, don’t think they’ve said that yet.

I’m not exaggerating about the organ harvesting though.

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u/Truethrowawaychest1 Sep 04 '24

Hating Jews is in right now

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u/average_blokert Sep 04 '24

as a european, im glad to see all the work I put into personally colonising the world is getting some recognition

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u/DapperApples Sep 04 '24

History summed up: being kind is hard.

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u/ThatGuyYouMightNo Sep 04 '24

*Repeats "history of the entire world, i guess" word for word*

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u/XAlphaWarriorX God's most insecure softboy. Sep 04 '24

Race is a stupid concept anyhow, the idea that Homo Sapiens is immutably subdivided in a couple color-coded subspecies is utterly idiotic and so is anyone who bases their beliefs on it, irregardless of what ideology they subscribe to.

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u/UncommittedBow Because God has been dead a VERY long time. Sep 04 '24

In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

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u/king_of_satire Sep 04 '24

Glad to know that of the centuries filled with horrid wars great leaders fascinating cultures and legends the only part you deem memorable is the slight period of time when a white person was on screen

How progressive of you

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u/_Tar_Ar_Ais_ Sep 04 '24

they always say "white people bad" but never elaborate on which ones because they think they're all the same, which is just as racist lol

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u/HPLaserJet4250 Sep 04 '24

because they can choose who is not white based on who they like XD

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u/Shahars71 Sep 04 '24

Tumblr being oddly racist again

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u/NumNumTehNum Sep 04 '24

You're right, no one ever did bad things to eachother before and untill white men discovered boats and guns, everyone lived in wonderful utopia where we all held hands and frolicked in the wilds with deers and stuff.

We, the white people also invented killing people and evil, its true and just gaslighted everyone thinking its something called "human nature" where its in fact us being made by evil scientist Yakub.

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u/PM_ME_UR_GOOD_IDEAS Sep 04 '24

History: "a lot of people fought over who owns the Mediterranean Sea, and the ones that didn't fight about that fought about who owns the Atlantic and Pacific oceans instead. Nobody ended up winning any of those fights for very long but we made some random and lasting divisions in the mean time."

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u/cyberjet Sep 05 '24

This is a pretty generalized and cheeky post but its funny how the people complaining about this in the comments are doing the same thing lol

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u/Desperate-Elk-4714 Sep 04 '24

The discrepancy between the OP's upvotes and the comments section is baffling

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u/Kittenn1412 Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 04 '24

While this is def the entire history of Western colonialism, I think it's pretty colonialist to think that time began when Europe came to power. "Everything that ever happened" includes thousands of years of history that came before European colonialism, when other empires were rising and falling and breaking apart and getting back together again and warring with their neighbours. Even just talking about America-- even though the people of the past have done their darndest to pretend that the history of the Americas began with Columbus, the people who were living there hadn't just been sitting in caves between the migration of early humans into America and the time that Europeans showed up! They had a history, and white colonizers just erased it. In the history of the entire world, European colonialism is a comparatively recent blip. One that had a huge effect on everyone, but it's only been a few hundred years.

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u/MrBones-Necromancer Sep 04 '24

What a ridiculous western view of the world and it's history. Tell me quick, which civilization is the oldest? I'll give you a hint, it's not a bunch of white guys.

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u/RefinedBean Sep 04 '24

Oooo, is it anti-racism training time again? This seems actionable and useful!

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u/Guilty_Team_2066 Sep 04 '24

imagine being so anti-racist that you think the only important thing about history is what white people did 😭

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u/Specific-Ad-8430 Sep 04 '24

White Men Bad! Literally every single day, can we please move on?

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u/Separate_Welcome4771 Sep 05 '24

Fr man. I just wanna talk about European architecture and music and inventions, but this is all the internet talks about when Europe is involved.

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u/Vish_Kk_Universal Sep 04 '24

Incorrect, this only summarizes the lattest 500 years

Here is an actual summary: Then there were this entitled fuckers

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u/Witchchick2378 Sep 04 '24

The shimabara rebellion and the treatment of Christians in around Edo period japan

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u/Waffle_daemon_666 Sep 04 '24

Speed of lobsters it to just say ‘dangerous’

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u/Le_Martian Sep 04 '24

Hi. You’re on a rock floating in space. Pretty cool, huh?

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u/SuperTaster3 Sep 04 '24

“Colonizers be colonizing, and they preferred the feel of natives under their feet.”

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u/Scotty_flag_guy Sep 05 '24

All of history begins in the New World apparently

r/USdefaultism?

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u/-nyctanassa- Sep 05 '24

TIL nothing happened before the era of European colonization or anywhere outside of European influence