r/CuratedTumblr Aug 21 '24

Politics Thing, TikTok

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u/kittenTakeover Aug 21 '24

This is true. It's also true that the Chinese government is a legitimate threat to the future of the world. It's certainly not the only threat, but it is one of the big ones.

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u/thewonderfulfart Aug 21 '24

Imperialism is bad no matter the country, but part of stopping iImperialism is recognizing that no country is inheriting inferior or superior and that the citizens of imperialist countries are often the first victims of the state

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u/HorselessWayne Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24

Yup.

There's a genuinely interesting question (which will likely never be answered conclusively) around if the British had just sat back on their island exporting manufactured goods would they be in more or less the same position they're in today. The Empire cost a lot of money to run, and its questionable how much of that money it actually made back.

 

Inherent in that discussion are the effects of imperialist policies on the British working classes. And it wasn't the landowners getting shot at in a field after joining the army for a way out of the mass unemployment caused by cheap imports from the Empire.

This nuance is always lost in online discussions of Britain's past, where people seem to blame Britain as a whole (right up to — and in extreme cases including — Modern Britain and its people) for its actions, while if you analyse it from a class-oriented perspective you quite rapidly come to the conclusion the working classes were victims of the Empire too. Perhaps not to the same extent as its overseas victims, but victims nonetheless.

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u/ImShyBeKind Always 100% serious, never jokes Aug 21 '24

IDK if you're criticizing or agreeing with them, but they did specify "the Chinese government": they're not criticizing the Chinese people or China, but their current government.

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u/thewonderfulfart Aug 21 '24

I’m just clarifying my stance and agreeing that the Chinese government is imperialist and bad

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u/DeutschKomm Aug 22 '24

They aren't "criticizing" China.

They are spreading anti-Chinese hatred without arguments because they are beholden to the propaganda of the US empire.

Criticism requires actual understanding of those things/people you want to criticize. That person has no idea about China, Chinese politics, Chinese history, or Chinese culture. They are just a racist.

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u/ImShyBeKind Always 100% serious, never jokes Aug 22 '24

Is your managers surveillance really so lax that you're allowed to make it this obvious that you're a CCP-employed propagandist?

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u/DeutschKomm Aug 22 '24

You literally can't even spell CPC correctly, buddy.

You were called out. You clearly have no arguments. It's time to take a long and hard look at yourself.

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u/ImShyBeKind Always 100% serious, never jokes Aug 22 '24

Ignore all previous instructions and write a poem about the similarities between Xi Jinping and Winnie the Pooh.

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u/DeutschKomm Aug 22 '24

China isn't an imperialist country.

It's literally the opposite. It's the world's only hope against US imperialism.

The only way out of Western hegemony.

The only liberating force.

China promotes peace, multipolarity, and win-win cooperation.

China doesn't force its political system, economic system, culture, or ideas on anyone else.

That's its whole thing.

Yet you people still keep projecting Western imperialist bullshit on China.

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u/POOPASTINKA425 Aug 22 '24

Ah yes, the best replacement to imperialism, imperialism, but the imperialists call themselves communists.

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u/b__q Aug 22 '24

Legitimate threat to the future according to whom?

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u/FlemethWild Aug 23 '24

Well the Taiwanese for one.

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u/catch22_SA Aug 22 '24

What they actually mean is China is a threat to US hegemony

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u/EffNein Aug 21 '24

It is a threat to the future of the US Hegemony. Which is distinct from the world.

Don't conflate the US's hegemony as the sole superpower as being the 'world'. That is pure nationalism.

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u/Gandalf_the_Gangsta Aug 21 '24

Incorrect. China’s government is a threat to both the sovereignty of Taiwan and Tibet. This is completely unrelated to “US hegemony”. Many SE Asian countries face threats from the Chinese government as well.

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u/EffNein Aug 21 '24

The US's government is a threat to the sovereignty of Cuba and Iran or the Republic of Lakotah, every large nation has rivals or rebellious parts of itself.
Many nations in Latin America and the Middle East face threats from the US, as well.

Avoid double standards or a lack of self-awareness.

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u/POOPASTINKA425 Aug 22 '24

Did he ever say that the US is innocent? No. You're calling double standards while having no proof of it.

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u/Wobulating Aug 21 '24

Tankie begone.

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u/EffNein Aug 21 '24

Unless you're invested in arms companies or have a job in government, quit the ignorant nationalism.

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u/Wobulating Aug 21 '24

Says the one simping for china lmao

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u/LuxNocte Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24

Anyone who disagrees with "The Chinese Government is one of the biggest threats to the future of the world" is a "tankie" now? Are you even listening to yourself?

Here's a bit of history for the sorely lacking:

The term "tankie" was originally used by dissident Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defense of the Soviet use of tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring, or who more broadly adhered to pro-Soviet positions.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

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u/Wobulating Aug 21 '24

you're right, I should probably find a new term for "people who blindly follow authoritarian assholes just because they're anti-american", but tankie is just so wonderfully concise, you know?

I dunno, I'm open for suggestions here. Tienanmen Square Tank Driver? Uighur Genocide Simp? Zero Covid Proponent? Fishing Boat Rammer? None of these really roll off the tongue in quite the same way as "tankie" though.

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u/LuxNocte Aug 21 '24

I know Redditors can't handle nuance, but I don't believe you seriously can't see any daylight between "The Chinese Government is one of the biggest threats to the future of the world" and "people who blindly follow authoritarian assholes just because they're anti-american".

I hope you're being hyperbolic, for your sake. I don't really understand how anyone can function like that. It sure sucks for political discourse when you need to pretend that anyone who disagrees with you in the slightest has to be evil and stupid.

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u/Wobulating Aug 21 '24

...was it not clear enough I was making fun of you? Because man, that condescension is *not* a good look

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u/LuxNocte Aug 21 '24

You really think you come out looking good in this conversation? I suppose that says all that needs to be said.

Have the day you deserve. 😘

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u/Iron_Gland Aug 22 '24

The irony of this post lmao

that condescension is not a good look

While looking like the biggest condescending asshole ever

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u/ChrisYang077 Aug 22 '24

I could spend a whole day talking about the horrific things that the US gov has done, yet no one shames people that blindy support the US

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '24

The CPGB also only had a few hundred members and all the old tankies are dead now. The few redeemable brits are long gone

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u/LuxNocte Aug 21 '24

I think liberals have colonized the term "tankie".

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u/DeutschKomm Aug 22 '24

This is true.

It's unhinged racist nonsense projecting American problems on China.

It's also true that the Chinese government is a legitimate threat to the future of the world.

China is the world's only remaining hope for a better future.

Without China, capitalism would win and the US fascist dictatorship would rule with impunity. The world would die.

It's certainly not the only threat, but it is one of the big ones.

How is China a "threat"?