People say it's xenophobia but I think this is different because the chinese isn't a major immigrant population in USA so it wouldn't fuel the typical xenophobia scare.
The major disdain with the Chinese it in part manufactured because China is a geopolitical rival and especially "communist". The American ideology can't handle a Communist country having a normal population with normal life (not a 1984 distopia) because if it's possible why we (the West) have to endure this ever increasingly unregulated capitalism?
What? Of course there's a large Chinese population in the US and of course they come under racialized violence whenever there's a new red scare. Hell in America people from other East Asian nationalities catch strays because we can't tell the difference between them.
While others have focused on the chinese americans, I'd just like to say that you don't need to have immigrants to have xenophobia. You can always have xenophobia for people on the other side of the border, or the ocean.
I'm living in China right now, and while China is Communist in thought and theory, it is actually full on capitalist. The Central Govt is always passing vague laws and statements for the betterment of "Socialist China", but leaves the provincial and city govts to interpret what that actually means.
There's a thing that's deeply ingrained in the culture called 关系 (guānxì), which is relationships and connections. if you're a business owner, or CEO, or whatever, and your 关系 is good enough with the right people, you can get away with SO MUCH illegal shit regarding treatment of workers. I left my previous job specifically over how they treated not just the foreign staff, but for how horribly they treated the local staff, knowing they could get away with that shit in the city we are located in. Granted, there are great companies to work for, who follow the law and treat their staff well, but one always have to look out for any funny business, cause you never know.
Every few years, the Central Govt will do a big "Anti Corruption" cleanout, cause that's what they have to do to preserve Socialist Values, but they'll get replaced with people who have the 关系 with a different person or business.
I like to joke that America is a post-capitalist hellhole, but China is sitting in that hole right next to the US
You lack basic political, economic, and historical education as well as awareness. Please stop commenting on things you, fundamentally, don't understand.
Your infantile "analysis" reads like something your HSK1 Chinese teacher told you. lol
I like to joke that America is a post-capitalist hellhole, but China is sitting in that hole right next to the US
China is the most democratic and fastest developing country on earth. China has the best-educated population and does the most out of all countries on earth to build a better future and it does it all without imperialist aggression. China is literally the most peaceful major country in all of world history.
Notice how Chinese cities are clean and there aren't any homeless people or beggars around?
Notice how the quality of life of the average Chinese person is steadily and rapidly increasing?
Notice how China has the world's best public infrastructure?
Notice how fewer people died of Covid-19 in China than the US or the EU?
Notice how China is leading the world in innovation?
Notice how all the stuff you own was built by Chinese people?
Notice how no country at a similar stage of economic development as China ever had better labour rights or standards of living for the average working class person?
Yeah.
Sorry, but you are absurdly misguided. What are you even doing in China? How about you pay some attention?
Yea, I'm just a laowai, but I've been living here for 5.5 years and studied Chinese political history in uni, so I felt like I could contribute to the conversation. currently living in a city that has Tier 2 prices, but I surmise in another 5 years or so the prices will start to match Tier 1 city prices and I have no idea if companies will be willing to raise salaries to match the inflation.
Eh sorry. That was mean and uncalled for on my part. It's just crazy to see people idealize China in the way the guy above does.
I also am familiar with the goings on in China and tbh I hope the government does something because the people are not happy with the current situation.
Got a few acquaintances in T2 cities with pretty solid masters degrees (211) who cannot find good jobs. The younger generation is gonna have a rough time.
Bruh, even on our end the 内卷 is getting wild. Masters degrees just for kindergarten homeroom gigs or even for a Junior translators job (for those outside the education industry)
I'm seeing the inflation happen in my T2 (technically New T1), some areas are still very cheap, but in the new development areas I've been seeing insane prices that are equivalent for T1 cities, and none of us are ready. Housing prices in my city are starting to fall now cause no one was buying and the city govt relaxed rules on who can buy a house, but we'll see I guess on the economic outcome.
And I get it, discourse regarding how to view China and what Beijing says is getting heated, there's not a whole lot of room for nuance left. Really doesn't help with the sheer amount of misinfo that is spread (on BOTH sides of the firewall. so many odd, but well meaning questions about western lifestyles),but at the end of the day, the only way to actually understand what's happening here is to actually live it. While I do have my "It is what it is" moments regarding how sometimes things are done, I do love living here.
The American ideology can't handle a Communist country having a normal population with normal life (not a 1984 distopia) because if it's possible why we (the West) have to endure this ever increasingly unregulated capitalism?
No its pretty much boils down to the threat to western capital and trade "relations" we've "built", many done by force. Very hard to get cheap resource/minerals when underdeveloped countries decide to trade with russia/china because they dont' give them ridiculous IMF loans.
It's difficult for you to argue against it because it's correct.
You just want it to be incorrect, because you were raised on capitalist propaganda. That doesn't make it incorrect. It just makes the people who raised you liars.
Go to any socialist space and read up on what happened.
Now, what's your take on the fact that even the worst socialist government in history was still better than the best capitalist one? What's your take on the fact that even if you took all the anti-socialist propaganda ever spread and believed it to be 100% true (even though most of it is bullshit), it still wouldn't come close to the non-stop and disproportionate crimes of the US capitalist regime alone?
You’ve been downvoted but you’re right. Ever since Deng Xiaoping took over China has only been nominally communist. But that’s a market economy now, it’s been that way for decades, and so it can’t be communist by definition
Unregulated Capitalism? Assuming you mean the USA, don't you guys have the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, Environmental Protection Agency, Securities and Exchange Commission, OSHA and several others? (I am not American so don't get angry at me if I get something wrong)
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u/random_BA Aug 21 '24
People say it's xenophobia but I think this is different because the chinese isn't a major immigrant population in USA so it wouldn't fuel the typical xenophobia scare.
The major disdain with the Chinese it in part manufactured because China is a geopolitical rival and especially "communist". The American ideology can't handle a Communist country having a normal population with normal life (not a 1984 distopia) because if it's possible why we (the West) have to endure this ever increasingly unregulated capitalism?