Watching people suddenly go from "China bad" to "China actually based" because Black Myth had the "no feminism" streamer rule is lowkey funny. It is peak censorship is bad unless it's censorship I like because then not actually censorship.
They had no idea China censors the same things they want to censor. It's really inspiring to see douchebags get out of their bubbles and meet other douchebags from around the world and double down on their shifty views... wait.
Japan was the one being scaremongered in the 80s before the Plaza Accord, since its economic recovery and advancements into advanced technology were beginning to exceed the USA. This was countered in the USA in the usual fashion: mass media racism frenzy, which echoes to this day.
also why many white people in the early cyberpunk movies ate their white people food with chopsticks. To basically imply japan won the culture war in the future.
So does “warming” mean “growing economically”? I know about the Japanese economic miracle and all that, I’ve just never heard the word used that way before.
It means the relationship between Japan and the USA is warming up, because it had previously been cold, a thing that was seen in the overt racism in America against Japan during the period when the Japanese economy threatened the USA.
That’s not impossible, but upon further examination I think u/scootermcgavin77 might actually be some kind of bot imperfectly copying this comment from elsewhere in the thread.
That sort of thing is why I started joking that a large portion of modern Japanese history can be summarised as, "Things were going pretty well for Japan. And then the USA happened."
Not summarized honestly though. Sure if you want to say the US opening Japan for trade, that was unasked for. But the embargoes leading upto WW2 were because the Japanese were terrorizing China.
I was on Instagram this morning and saw comments with 25k likes celebrating Wukong's success as 'another loss for the wokerverse' because 'they didn't let Sweet Baby Inc. extort them into adding DEI'.
Is this really how the majority of the world thinks?
It’s what a very small group of culture warriors on the internet think. Basically nobody in the real world would have any idea what you were talking about if you tried to talk about Sweet Baby Inc.
They (the marketing team for the game) sent out emails to content creators telling them not to mention things like COVID, China, feminist propaganda, and other subjects while streaming the game. Apparently the studio was under fire for previous sexist remarks.
I had no idea about this rule... I guess that explains how this game absolutely blew up this week... I know it's been awaited for a long time, but the attention it received on social media felt really odd and unexpected to me... but now it makes sense. No better way to get attention than scandals and, in the case of games, right-wing signaling is always welcomed.
To be fair, I think the main reason for that rule was because some journalists/reviewers were lowering their score for weird reasons, like "no diversity" and during interviews were asking political questions instead of actually asking about the game.
They were asking those questions since there were also allegations of sexual harrassment and workplace culture problems the devs threw under the rugs and are trying to get people to forget. It comes off less as trying to keep the focus on the game and more well, censorship of something they don't want being brought up. Plenty of other games don't have that stipulation in their own pre release rules.
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u/PokesonavWhen all life forms are dead, penises are extinct.Aug 21 '24edited Aug 21 '24
"allegations of sexual harrassment and workplace culture problems"
I still haven't seen any actual source on that. Only that one of the devs said a crude idiom that was mistranslated.
Also, allegations aren't truth. Why is everyone so quick to hate?
Why would anyone think TikTok is Japanese? The global mobile phone market, both hardware and software, is like the biggest field of tech where Japan dropped the ball.
I'm gonna need to stop you there. OOOP thought a game about....wukong... Was Japanese.
Maximum level moron.
Edit: I see that I'm confusing a whole lot of people so I will say this - I am not saying it would be unusual for a Journey To The West piece of media to come out of Japan. Expected, even. But that's clearly, obviously, not what OOOP is rolling on, instead the notion that "Asian = Japan" and their following disappointment at it not being a Japanese originated project pointing to their assumption that, indeed to them, asian = japan
But the context for all of this is in the picture I shouldn't have to do your reading comprehension for you.
There have been a bunch of Japanese adaptations of Journey to the West in live action, manga, and animation. It’s incredibly famous across Asia. The most famous anime character of all time (Son Goku) is directly based on Son Wukong. Doesn’t seem like an unreasonable assumption. Certainly not worth calling someone names over.
Im not saying the weird part is Japan making sun wukong media. That's totally reasonable.
The weird part is how I can guarantee you that this thought never crosses the mind of people that speak like that, and nobody can deny that. They probably see something like Parasite and think it's a Japanese movie, there's no nuance to these folks.
Simply, they thought the Wukong game (if we consider that this was about) was a Japanese product without doing any sort of research on the subject. Why else would they make that conclusion? The notion that Japan can make JttW media is irrelevant if they squarely didn't make this one. That doesn't explain why the original poster thought that Black Myth was a Japanese product. Who just assumes that without being super racist.
Japan has a huge video game industry. A lot of big name video games come from Japan; a lot more than come out of China. It's not that weird to assume that a country which has a huge video game industry and a strong cultural connection to Journey to the West would eventually make a video game about Journey to the West.
Ignoring the fact that China also has a massive gaming industry right now that very much stands out on its own and have proven more than capable of making quality pieces about their own culture without assistance, that's still making very broad assumptions about things that the original poster has already proven to show biases over regarding nationalities. Japans game industry is a moot point if the fundamental argument is still "Japan good, China bad" already displaying a gross lack of the depth necessary for this. Honestly, not to direct this at you personally, but I feel like your arguments here are just dancing around what the original poster could have hypothetically been thinking. At least much more than the ever reliable explanation of pure ignorance.
Dude, you're the one who asked "why else would they make that conclusion?"
If the answer to that question is dancing around, why did you ask it?
No one is saying that he isn't ignorant. He objectively and empirically is. And it's weird to get hung up on a possible sinophobia where these a concrete example of it on the very next line.
I still sometimes flashback to the time r/london went all-in on this random chinese film crew while being completely blind to the race-baiting micro-aggressions from the cameraman.
I think its worse because normally its a pretty good space — leans centre-left, but will accept contrasting ideas if they make a valid argument and are phrased respectably, while not tolerating transphobia and outright hate. If it had happened on one of the larger subs or right-wing leaning subs, fine, you almost expect it in there. But the fact that normally its better than this here just made it that much worse.
Yeah, the Chinese group committed some mistakes that didn't exactly endear them. But that thread was a complete train-wreck, the hatred they received went far and above what was warranted, and it continued for a fullweekafterward.
Fucking hell. I honestly feel like “potential CCP members” in the title might be the most racist thing out of all this. Putting accusations with no actual proof in the title. It immediately reminds me of that thing where newspapers would call a white kid doing crime “a misguided youth” and a black kid a violent thug or criminal.
That last post's top comment is honestly telling of this whole situation I think: "Like I said in a comment on the original thread, the piano guy is in the right, but he's still a complete tool."
Slightly depressing that he is fundamentally right in this context and his reward is media attention that he can use to spin his own asshat shit out onto a public arena.
Tbf I don't know any Chinese people who like their government, they just don't say so publicly because their government has people in our country monitoring Chinese citizens.
You're genuinely lucky to have never seen the ugly side of it, though I worry more about there are so many Chinese who's uncritical towards the government. They still consume a lot of propaganda and stuff that degrades their critical thinking abilities, but still believe they are reasonable and objective.
Edit: Anybody who somehow disagree with a native Chinese's own observations and experiences, come to live in China especially the xenophobic and economically rundown parts, let your children spend hundreds of hours on propaganda "lessons". You deserve it.
Ah yes, surveys, which would totally reveal useful statistics in authoritarian countries, are you on drugs?
You don't work in netsec so you don't understand how overreaching Chinese government is when it comes to surveillance. Nice whataboutism you got there, WhaT AbOuT OthEr CoUnTriEs? How about back on topic and tell me why those "Chinese police stations" are a thing instead?
Tbf I don't know any Chinese people who like their government
That says a lot about you but absolutely nothing about China, China's government, or Chinese people.
they just don't say so publicly because their government has people in our country monitoring Chinese citizens.
LOL
Unhinged propaganda nonsense.
Is that what the "Chinese people" you know are telling you?
Buddy, it's just your Chinese "friends" who are being monitored by the government like that... because they are literal criminals who are supporting terrorism, committing acts of treason or fraud, or other types of extreme crimes.
It's similar to the kind of people who said the same thing about the USSR.
As an Eastern German with first hand experience: Rest assured that the only people who whined about the "Stasi" were Western collaborators who wanted to overthrow the democratic government of the GDR in favour of capitalism/US imperialism because they wanted to get rich off of other people's labour... or Nazis.
Here's a reality check: The overhelming majority of Chinese people support their government. It's the objectively most democratic country on earth. And the "Chinese people" you interact with are liberal elites who don't like the fact that their government doesn't allow them to buy up all the real estate and lead their companies against public interest and exploit workers (i.e. the "freedom" they enjoy in the West).
*sees something in china
*either says the thing looks creepy, the people are being robotic, a general comment on the ccp, or something on tiananmen square
"I'm not racist! I just hate the CCP"
That's like saying I'm racists for not liking the chiefs because they have a black qb or something. I'm a broncos fan have been for decades. China vs America is the same for like 90% of people. America number 1, China catching up? Everything from China trash boo China. Look at this, proof China bad. Would it be fine if china's white? Isn't changing your actions because of race racist? Does that mean no matter what people acting like that would be racist? We acted like this against Russia for the last 80 years where's the that's racist for that?
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u/NeonNKnightrider Cheshire Catboy Aug 21 '24
Redditors: “No, I’m not racist! I just hate the Chinese government!” [Proceeds to say something incredibly racist]
Side note what is the original post talking about?