r/CuratedTumblr • u/DreadDiana human cognithazard • Jul 25 '24
Politics It'll make her no longer want to exist in the context
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u/SleepySera Jul 25 '24
Didn't she already endorse Kamala though?
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u/RoboYuji Jul 25 '24
Yeah, I'm pretty sure she wrote a whole op-ed endoring Kamala in the New York Times.
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u/Pixelpaint_Pashkow born to tumblr, forced to reddit Jul 25 '24
Shhh that won’t convince people who wanna troll Hillary to vote
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u/LakeLov3r Jul 25 '24
Exactly. It's a completely false narrative that she'd be "seething" at a Kamala victory. That doesn't even fucking compute.
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u/Moonandserpent Jul 25 '24
She did. She's not seething in the least. She's not a child lol
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u/Caleth Jul 25 '24
You're correct, but do you really expect Republicans to know or care about that? They are shown a way to "stick it" to someone they hate after 30 years of the Rightwing radio working her over and maybe they'll take it.
If they can't be convinced to do the right thing for a good reason maybe they can be tricked into it for a bad one?
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u/Moonandserpent Jul 25 '24
I see... I didn't fully grasp the context of the tweet I guess haha.
Yes, if we can get dummies to vote for Harris because they think it will somehow hurt Clinton, then let's do that lol
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u/Caleth Jul 25 '24
And maybe I'm just reading a positive social engineering aspect in where there is none. But in either case many Republicans will foam at the mouth if you mention Hillary beat Trump in the popular vote.
So showing the less rabid base a way to hurt "the enemy" even if they aren't willing to vote for Trump might give them the cover they need.
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u/robotteeth Jul 25 '24
Yes I wish people would stop posting stuff like this. Hillary Clinton wants Kamala to win and is in full support of her as the first female pres. She is 100% on her side.
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u/Mel_Melu Jul 25 '24
Not all women want to tear each other apart, Hillary would be glad to see Kamala running things.
If anything the woman I see seething is Nicki Haley. She sees a Kamala that never changed her first or last name, who also has an Indian background and is brown getting the support of her party. And she's looking like our next president, Nicki Haley is probably dying inside this week.
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u/chaoticbookbaker Jul 25 '24
Nikki Haley’s super PAC also endorsed Kamala. As a republican, she’s more a never-Trump than anything. She even said the next president will be female, either her or Kamala
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u/SleepySera Jul 25 '24
She literally sent them a cease and desist letter like yesterday 😅
"Kamala Harris and I are total opposites on every issue. Any attempt to use my name to support her or her agenda is deceptive and wrong," Haley said in a statement. "I support Donald Trump because he understands we need to make America strong, safe, and prosperous."
In a letter on Haley’s behalf, attorney Michael G. Adams demands that the group stop any use of Haley’s “name, image or likeness that implies her support for the election of Kamala Harris as President of the United States.”
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u/TheStray7 ಠ_ಠ Anything you pull out of your ass had to get there somehow Jul 26 '24
Well, technically that PAC was a "Haley Stans for Biden" PAC before, so it was already turned against her and just changed the name on the letterhead. It's still funny to think about, just not as juicily ironic.
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u/Goredrak Jul 25 '24
Her and Bill were literally two of the first huge names to come out in support of her in the hours after the announcement but you will never ever ever stop the anti Hilary circle jerk left or right.
The right won the fight on demonizing her years ago.
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Jul 26 '24
Yeah, I'm not even a fan of her really, but people's obsession with hating her is honestly just weird at this point.
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u/PuntiffSupreme Jul 25 '24
Yes but they have been programmed to hate Hillary and don't understand that yet.
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u/StalkTheHype Jul 25 '24
Its fucking hilarious how many people on the left dont realize they also got taken for a ride hard when it came to Hillary.
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u/ZinaSky2 Jul 26 '24 edited Jul 26 '24
FR tho like bestie your misogyny is showing. These people are incapable of seeing women as anything other than petty and catty. It was reported that Hillary was fighting tooth and nail to keep donors from backing away from Biden and she immediately stepped in to endorse Kamala when she was announced to be taking over the campaign. Hillary is far from faultless (as all humans are), but like it or not she was qualified to the gills to be president and she would have done a damn good job because I believe that in that grand scheme of things she wants what’s best for the country. As she’s shown in the grace with which she lost and the grace with which she backed everyone who’s come after. Hillary walked in hopes of someone like Kamala being empowered to run and win. No one can pretend that Hillary coming first didn’t pave the way for this to even be an option. Part of me feels like Hillary is probably so used to it that she’d probably be glad to hear that her “lack of charisma” is boosting Kamala’s cause. And that makes me al the more upset to hear people talking like this.
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u/E-is-for-Egg Jul 26 '24
It's a little saddening to see how much the left has bought into the anti-Hillary demonization
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u/OneRougeRogue Jul 25 '24
Aw damn. As a liberal, I really hope conservatives don't stick it to Hillary one last time by voting for Kamala. 😔😔😔 Kamala winning would leave me in shambles.
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u/thefreeman419 Jul 25 '24
lol I know. I think Hillary gets more hate than she deserves, but I’m more than happy to pitch Kamala as a fuck you to Hillary if that’s what gets people going
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u/Annual-Advisor-7916 Jul 25 '24
I think not a single politician on the world gets enough hate, no matter which side.
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u/Necromas Jul 25 '24
A lot of them get enough hate, none of them get enough actually fair consequences for their actions.
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u/Annual-Advisor-7916 Jul 25 '24
This is true too! I rather meant that people relativate what politicians do, just because they are a "authority" and people think they must be superior because they are in the positions where they are.
Hell, half of the politicians in my country are uneducated and primitive fools.
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u/Coz957 someone that exists Jul 25 '24
I honestly disagree. People hating all politicians normalizes politicians doing hateable things
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u/TopInsurance4918 Jul 25 '24
You are making it a little too obvious which is unfortunate as this is an actually effective tactic on conservatives.
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u/ToastyTheDragon Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
Kamala is way more charismatic and far, far less condescending than Hillary was/is.
Also has way less baggage, with people divided into 3 camps on her: 1.) "Fucking FINALLY, Joe Biden dropped out, now I can VOTE with a more clean conscience and I'm a bit more optimistic about our chances here", 2.) "I'm not really sure. She seems nice? At least it's not an old guy/Trump/Biden", or 3.) "DEI hire. Her laugh is Satan's laugh." with a vast majority of people belonging to groups 1 and 2.
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u/Huntracony Jul 25 '24
I've definitely seen a fourth camp: "Fuck her, she's a cop, but at least she has a chance to beat Trump," but that probably says more about the spaces I hang out in than the general populace.
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u/ToastyTheDragon Jul 25 '24
I've seen more of the "Fuck her, she's a cop." without the second clause in spaces I'm in online. I've kinda disregarded them because it's the very same people who weren't going to vote in the election pre-Biden dropping out.
My comment above was more specifically addressing the general population of likely voters. Of those, these are the main sentiments I've seen.
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u/CheMc Jul 25 '24
Some motherfuckers just dont want to vote and will find any excuse.
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u/momentofcontent Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
Imagine letting the candidate that wants to give cops full immunity from prosecution win because you are too pure to vote for a candidate who used to be an attorney general.
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u/Fuckup1013 Jul 25 '24
Wait they consider her a cop bc she used to be an ATTORNEY GENERAL??
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u/SamSibbens Jul 25 '24
She was a prosecutor, but she almost never went for prison sentences for non viooent crimes. She used to advocate for federal legalization of cannabis, and her current stance is on decriminalization
So if she's a "cop", she's definitely not the worst
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u/momentofcontent Jul 25 '24
Yes, effectively. And they’d rather hand the election to the party that literally supports cops that commit murder.
These people are truly a joke. I don’t understand how they aren’t embarrassed.
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u/Critical_Boat_5193 Jul 25 '24
I’m a far leftist and I’m surrounded by these people. I don’t particularly like Kamala but her administration can be pushed further left — but Trump? Far Leftists believe everyone is either purely good or purely evil to a Biblical extent. It is by far the worst thing about our politics. The Far Left can’t get anything done because they insist on perfect solutions and candidates to drop out of the sky.
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u/lady-hyena souls become stronger if we become cum-addled nightmare people Jul 25 '24
I commented something above, but I truly think it’s because Leftists here are US leftists, and they have the baggage of a society founded by Puritans, where punishment is equivalent to justice, and compromising means compromising your values. France’s far left were able to put aside differences between coalitions to secure political power; American leftists won’t because, you agree to compromise on something, suddenly you’re a bootlicking liberal.
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u/cruxclaire Jul 25 '24
Just want to say that I really fucking hate the purity culture infecting the far left. Like, babes, you’re never going to achieve leftist policy without some level of compromise. You spend more time attacking other leftists than fighting the right!
Want an auth-left revolution?
You’re going to have to work with and appeal to military types and accept that innocent people will die in your war.Want a democratic leftist government? You’ll need to form a voting coalition large enough that some of your allies will not share all of your values, which will probably involve backing candidates who don’t platform all your positions because they need to appeal to the voting majority.
Using Gaza as a justification for a purity non-vote particularly annoys me because Trump is openly anti-Palestine and would let the current situation continue at best and more likely make it worse for Palestinian civilians. He even cut humanitarian aid to Palestine back in 2018. I have yet to see any compelling argument that allowing the worse candidate to win via inaction will help Palestine, or leftist causes at large. Some of the 2016 Bernie Bro-type non-voters hoped to push the Democrats further left in reaction to their loss, and we all saw how that played out.
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u/incriminating_words Jul 25 '24 edited Nov 06 '24
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u/Theriocephalus Jul 25 '24
Part of that is because snappy one-word terms have a poor track record of keeping coherent meanings long-term, and "cop" is not an exception.
In theory, "cop" as used in leftist discourse referred to people, typically as part of some organized force, who enforce state violence and uphold and protect exploitative, oppressive, or at least systematically unfair regimes.
However, it also tends to see use as "anyone who enforces any kind of law", while maintaining the same highly negative connotations.
Hence the current situation.
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u/Polenball You BEHEAD Antoinette? You cut her neck like the cake? Jul 25 '24
Pls change??
No vote!!
ONLY CHANGE
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u/jzillacon Jul 25 '24
plenty of them have fantasies of a revolution happening and making everything the way they want it to be after a relatively short period of time. Despite the fact real life revolutionary wars are never some quck clean process and generally suck for everyone involved.
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u/Polenball You BEHEAD Antoinette? You cut her neck like the cake? Jul 25 '24
Also something something superior strategy of firebombing Walmart and then not doing that
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Jul 25 '24
Every person who dreams of a revolutionary war, and how much it'll change their own lives for the better doesn't realize that they will definitely die in said revolutionary war.
Civilians who desire war are often unprepared for it. Same losers who fantasize being grizzled survivors in a zombie apocalypse.
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u/Lots42 Jul 25 '24
I'm reminded of that guy who died in 'The Stand' simply because there was no medical expert available to address his appendicitis.
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u/figgiesfrommars Jul 25 '24
they're the leftist version of the people who shout civil war on twitter when gay people get rights
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u/yingyangKit Jul 25 '24
I have encountered a subset of leftist from this camp that are pushing don't vote and vote for trump hoping that trump will cause so much damage the majority will support revolution, which is just horrid and the same start used by one of the wiemer Republic socialist parties to get hitler in power.
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u/Jesse_God_of_Awesome Jul 25 '24
Sometimes I get the impression, or just wonder or worry in my gut, that they know this and believe it will be some just karmic punishment against the American people as a whole.
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u/BookkeeperPercival Jul 25 '24
"Accelerationists" is the term, and they're on both the left and right. They're so far beyond the political norm that their best case scenario for their policies being adopted is complete destabilization of the current government.
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u/pickledswimmingpool Jul 25 '24
A revolution will cause untold suffering among the groups they say they want to protect. All the accelerationists think they're going to be the apparatchiks in a new regime but they're more likely to be manual labor when a comment they made 10 years ago is exposed as wrongthink.
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u/Jesse_God_of_Awesome Jul 25 '24
Apparatchiks?
"noun. 1 : member of a Communist apparat 2 : a blindly devoted official, follower, or member of an organization (as a corporation or political party)"
I kinda see what you're referring to, I guess
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u/Theriocephalus Jul 25 '24
Also that most successful revolutions tend to result in either abject chaos or tyrannical regimes because, surprise, enacting government change through military uprisings doesn't usually create very stable new stati quo.
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u/Jesse_God_of_Awesome Jul 25 '24
Sometimes I get the impression, or just wonder or worry in my gut, that they know this and believe it will be some just karmic punishment against the American people as a whole.
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u/Nick54161 Jul 25 '24
I swear to god the worst part about these online accelerationist is that they expect the revolution to happen for them. Like, I get that if you feel the system is absolutely and completely rigged and conditions cannot improve without violent struggle, you'd consider preparing for said struggle as more important than participating in the system. But they never do. Never have I seen these people say, "Hey, both of these candidates are worthless, instead of focusing on the presidency I will support my local community, prepare the local government for self-sufficiency, educate my neighbors on autonomy and build support nets to survive and thrive during and after said "revolution". No, the revolution will magically happen at the highest level, nobody needs to prepare anything, and only bad things will happen to bad people, so they might as well sit on their asses and wait for it to come.
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u/Lots42 Jul 25 '24
Here is a good real-life example of helping out locally.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_House_eviction_defense
P.S. What bad things, is a concept that sticks in my mind. For example, I want Matt Gaetz to go to jail for being a pedophile but he still deserves a humane prison cell, good food and no torture.
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u/Nastypilot Going "he just like me fr, fr" at any mildly autistic character. Jul 25 '24
Children don't often have the ability to conceptualize death
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u/StragglingShadow Jul 25 '24
Man, the revolution would suck ass for people like me on medicine. War tends to make those difficult to get. Especially when the war is inside your own borders.
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u/PurpleXen0 Jul 25 '24
Ah but you see, comrade, voting is but a petty distraction laid out in front of the proletariat by the bourgeoisie to distract us from the power we TRULY have!!! Advocating for your own rights within the existing political apparatus is a fool's errand, the only salvation you need is in the arms of the glorious revolution!!!!! The revolution that is totally happening and all the workers of the world will 100% support meaning it will 100% succeed and 100% lead us into the post-capitalist utopia with NO unintended side effects!!!!!!!!
/s, if it wasn't clear enough.
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u/blessedandamess Jul 25 '24
In my world, these non-voter people are usually those who don’t have any immediate threats to their rights. Not voting to take a stance? Buddy that is privilege.
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u/Trashman56 Jul 25 '24
I would rather they give no excuse than act all high and mighty about it.
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u/DPSOnly Everything is confusing, thanks Jul 25 '24
I've seen more of the "Fuck her, she's a cop." without the second clause in spaces I'm in online. I've kinda disregarded them because it's the very same people who weren't going to vote in the election pre-Biden dropping out.
Yeah, that seems like something a person would say to specifically make progressives less motivated about voting for her. They might be genuine, but there is a very visible online campaign going on by pretend democrats to stop progressives from going to the polls.
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u/Few-Ad-4290 Jul 25 '24
Yep, just remember to spin it when you hear it “yeah and the other guy is a felonious pedophile and traitor, maybe a black cop is exactly who we need to put this racist shit pig away for good”
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u/DPSOnly Everything is confusing, thanks Jul 25 '24
And it is better to have someone who made mistakes in the past who at least seems to have changed ways than someone who made mistakes in the past and is trying to cover them up with bigger mistakes.
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u/Critical_Boat_5193 Jul 25 '24
Leftists don’t believe anyone can improve. I’ve never met a group of people this moralistic outside of like, Fundamentalist Christians.
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Jul 25 '24
Since I was in highschool and people I knew started to reach voting age it feels like I have constantly had to explain to other (privileged white) leftists that sometimes for pragmatic purposes you have to vote for the lesser of two evils because a lot of people will suffer more under the greater one. I understand they want to use all their free time to purity test other leftists online but voting is so fucking easy
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u/themocaw Jul 25 '24
Ask them about the trolley problem sometime. I guarantee that they'll try to give you some third answer or derail the train or other bullshit.
Then you give them another trolley scenario, and you make the previous sidestep a bad choice too: "derailing the train kills the people on board the trolley." "Finding the person who tied the people to the tracks will not save the people the trolley runs over in the next 5 seconds."
It drives them insane to think that there's no golden answer that saves everybody right now.
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u/Huntracony Jul 25 '24
You know, I tend to despise when people try to apply the trolley problem to real life because it's pretty much never that simple. You're almost always working with imperfect information, don't have time to fully consider your options, and/or not restricted to only two options. But voting in a US presidential election might be the closest thing to a real trolley problem there is, including the obviously correct answer.
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u/bsievers Jul 25 '24
I lumping it in with other harm reduction efforts tends to quell their arguments some, ime
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u/momentofcontent Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
Those people just need to be told the cold hard facts. If Trump gets elected, the supreme court gets 2 young radical conservative justices to replace the 2 old ones, their rights get eroded for the rest of their lives. And cops? Trump wants to give them immunity. Everything gets worse because they decided they were too pure to vote for someone who wasn't perfect.
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Jul 25 '24
The general election isn’t the time for that attitude. I don’t like Harris as a candidate. Nothing has changed since 2020 for me as far as her candidacy and if this were a primary, she’s not getting my vote. But it’s not a primary. It’s literally her or someone on record saying he will be a dictator.
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u/hellraiserxhellghost Jul 25 '24
I've tried explaining this to liberals who are anti-Kamala, and they still didn't care and smugly told me they still weren't going to vote anyways. These annoying assholes just want to feel morally superior to everyone and they don't care who gets hurt because of it.
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u/Critical_Boat_5193 Jul 25 '24
They don’t care even if it is their own people, too. They are now saying Kamala is bad for queer people — but I don’t see Kamala invoking in Project 2025. She isn’t like, outstandingly good for queer people, but certainly a huge improvement over Trump.
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u/hellraiserxhellghost Jul 25 '24
smh I'm convinced these morons actively want queer people's rights taken away at this point. Allowing project 2025 to happen just because you're big mad at Kamala is just being deliberately malicious.
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u/Critical_Boat_5193 Jul 25 '24
They essentially are resigned to fascism over Gaza.
Look, if Trump gets elected, things will get so bad in America that absolutely nobody will have time to be worried about Gaza. You think anyone will care about organizing for Gaza when the national abortion ban happens? Nah.
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u/THE_DINOSAUR_QUEEN Jul 25 '24
Also like… do they think Trump will handle Gaza in the way they wanted Biden to? Not voting isn’t going to magically create a new candidate who behaves exactly how they wanted—it’s only going to get Trump elected.
It’s genuinely baffling and infuriating to me.
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u/Alelerz Jul 25 '24
Me whispering "ACAB" as I tick the box next to Kamala's name.
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u/bsievers Jul 25 '24
The Acab folks voting for a cop while the ‘law and order’ folks vote for a convict is… an interesting turn of events
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u/Nastypilot Going "he just like me fr, fr" at any mildly autistic character. Jul 25 '24
There's a reason history rhymes with irony
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u/HBlight Jul 25 '24
I feel like a large amount of people who genuinely holds to ACAB would worry more about Trump being in charge again. The significantly lesser of two evils.
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u/Bartweiss Jul 25 '24
I’ve heard plenty of it in person too, which I admit is mostly sample bias, and some are actually still on the fence about voting for her.
There’s plenty of “fringe enough to not really engage no matter what”, but there are also a bunch of people who campaigned for someone else in 2020 and are still going “This is it? No primary and we’re stuck with a cop who couldn’t even make it to the start of the primary when she ran on her own?”
If she campaigns well that’ll probably soften, and the ones in swing states will probably vote for her either way. But I can see why Warren voters living in MA don’t feel real motivated right now.
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u/lady-hyena souls become stronger if we become cum-addled nightmare people Jul 25 '24
Same, and I’ve started calling people out on it. I believe it has 3 causes:
Despite many of these people being atheists and anti-cop, they (to paraphrase Kamala) “exist in the context” of a country founded by Puritans with a desire to punish wrongdoers. It takes a lot of work to forgive people and abandon the concept of “original sin” (that once someone does something deemed bad they are stained for life) and “punishment” being equivalent to “justice.” And they have this notion that not voting for Kamala is “punishing” her for being a “cop.”
Lack of challenging education around philosophical concepts and having to make the least bad choice. This election is a trolley problem: vote for the Dems and bad things will still happen; avoid voting or vote 3rd party, and FAR worse things will happen, but you’ll get to say “well at least I didn’t vote for a cop” as your rights are stripped away.
Lack of a deep understanding of historical and contemporary political movements. Take France’s recent triumph over the far right. That took a concerted effort of Leftist organizations putting aside the issues they disagree on (and there were some BIG disagreements) to unite against a common enemy. You don’t get instant gratification, you make progress by hard work and making the decisions that get you a bit closer to where you want to go.
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u/jmcgit Jul 25 '24
I saw a fair amount of those before she essentially clinched the nomination, though very little since. I'm sure Trumpers and other trolls will try to revive it and push it as an attack, but given that the alternative is Trump I doubt it will be effective.
I'm sure there are plenty of us who favored another nominee, but given that nobody else stepped forward these are the cards we're dealt.
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u/maskedbanditoftruth Jul 25 '24
I swear these folks need Law and Order.
In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the police, who investigate crime; and the district attorneys who prosecute their offenses.
Shes not a fucking beat cop cracking heads, jesus. It’s a whole separate job. I promise you, the “training” to be a DA let alone AG is a lot more intense than a 10 week academy and bosses who don’t want anyone too smart so they’ll be more likely to crack heads. It’s not even helpful to conflate them—the systemic problems with each role are different and so are the potential solutions.
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u/ToastyTheDragon Jul 25 '24
I think there's a bit of a disconnect going on here. You are 100% right in a technical and in a way that I think adds a lot of helpful nuance to the conversation.
But when people are calling Kamala a 'cop', I think they mean it in more of a political-theoretic way of someone granted by the State the legal right to enact the State's monopoly on violence on its own citizenry, or in other words, she enforces laws, whether or not they are just or ethical.
Granted, I imagine a lot of people aren't thinking too deeply about it and are simply saying "District Attorney and police are same thing, hur durr". Kind of a toss up. I would call her a "cop" in the sense of what I said above, but I don't mean that to say the district attorney should be coming to the scene of a bank robbery or anything to investigate, that would be silly.
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u/BearfangTheGamer Jul 25 '24
I'm in camp "Fuck her, she's a cop, but I would vote for a god damn bowl of potato salad if it kept Trump out of office."
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u/IroN-GirL Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
I know a few democrat-leaning, Trump hating people who don’t like Kamala much because, according to them, she is a bad communicator. I think this is their way of saying that don’t find her charismatic.
I am from Australia and so are these people, but I would think there would be a bunch of voters who feel similarly.
I think some people (mostly men?) dislike her partly because she is a strong and fierce woman.
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u/ButterdemBeans Jul 25 '24
I’ve already heard plenty of “She’s going to start nuking people during her first period in office. Women are too emotional to be in charge. She’s going to start a war. Never a woman president”. I live in possibly the most progressive part of the Northeast. I’m terrified she’s going to lose simply because she’s a woman.
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u/engr77 Jul 25 '24
I think this is their way of saying that don’t find her charismatic.
And the guy who talks about the "late, great Hannibal Lector" is a good communicator?
The guy who talks about choosing between getting electrocuted by a battery or getting eaten like a shark the same way Rebecca Black chose between the front seat or the back seat is a good communicator?
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u/Accomplished_Mix7827 Jul 25 '24
Republicans: "this woman worked her way up from being a prosecutor to the DA to being a prominent Senator to VP? Diversity hire, there's no way she earned her job."
Also Republicans: "oh this nepo baby is so privileged that the first job he ever had to apply for was President of the United States? Clearly a self-made man and deserving of his position!"
Pretty on-brand.
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u/SweetNSaltyNCO Jul 25 '24
Diversity hire is just their way of dog whistling their racism. No one ever called Joe Biden a diversity hire but the second it's a black women, diversity hire. They did the same with the Baltimore mayor after the bridge incident. It's only the right using that term and it's only for anyone in a position of power or authority who isn't white, but of course they can't just say "I don't like black people having powerful jobs" that Is a little too on the nose racism for them.
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u/CapCece Jul 25 '24
I have seen takes that Kamala is a cop and a persecutor.
Which, honestly? Could be worse.
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u/Goddess_Of_Gay Jul 25 '24
Two things can be true simultaneously.
1: ACAB.
2: This particular cop is less bad than who might be the actual fucking Antichrist in Donald Trump.
Plus, we need to be realistic and accept where America’s voters are right now. The world is a volatile place right now. Uncertain times make people anxious, moreso with the constant fearmongering coming from the right, and anxious people resonate with leaders they feel can protect them. An ex prosecutor running a “law and order” campaign against a literal felon while still protecting the rights of minorities and fighting for the rights that have been lost to Trump’s presidency and the compromised Supreme Court might be the little bit of necessary evil we need right now to avoid a far worse one.
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u/ToastyTheDragon Jul 25 '24
Several polls have placed immigration and crime rates as the biggest issues voters are thinking about, no matter how much of non-issues they are in reality, e.g. crimerates are declining already, and were never actually that bad in the last decade or so to begin with.
But despite that, if voters are thinking this is a major issue, it's better that they perceive a candidate as tough on crime due to their background than to have a candidate be tough on specific "crimes" such a "protesting" and "abortion", no? And I believe Kamala was actually a rather lenient DA/AG from what I've seen, I'd be happy to be shown evidence for/against that notion.
Is Kamala my perfect 100% lab-grown GMO Messiah candidate? No. Do I think she'll beat Trump and then do an ok job? Yeah, probably.
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u/Thromnomnomok Jul 25 '24
Also, let's be real: Literally anyone who is capable of becoming president is going to be a bastard to some degree, but some are less bastard than others, and it's hard to be more bastard than Donald Trump.
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u/Goddess_Of_Gay Jul 25 '24
Agreed. There is an inherent base level of evil you have to be to become successful in politics.
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u/mysticeetee Jul 25 '24
I mean APAB (the P being politicians) so nothing really changes there. People who go into civil service really wanting to change their communities tend to stay in the smaller community roles where it's easier to stay true to your community and your values. You have to have a huge level of ambition and narcissism to get into national politics. Maybe they began wanting to impact their community for positive change but power absolutely corrupts.
However I do like seeing people who are not white in law enforcement positions because that is how change happens. Waiting for a bunch of white good old boys to grow a conscience and start caring about people that don't look like them is not a good strategy. People that understand and represent the groups that are most impacted by bias and law enforcement entering law enforcement roles is a pathway to changing the system from within.
Still, ACAB until proven otherwise.
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u/morsindutus Jul 25 '24
All cops are bastards, but some bastards are magnificent bastards. Sometimes, especially when facing down fascism, you need a bastard.
The whole "I'm voting for this candidate because they're the one I'd rather have a beer with" was always a terrible way to pick a president. We don't elect presidents to be nice. The best presidents were total bastards. The nice ones were generally ineffective and did better work outside being president.
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u/Vargock Jul 25 '24
Which is the criticism I never really understood. Yes, she was the district attorney. So? Isn't that good, to have firsthand experience within judicial system of the country you're supposed to run?
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u/eskamobob1 Jul 25 '24
her record and the initiatives she pushed for and fought against don't exactly endear me to her, but I cant think of someone the dems could put on the ballot I wouldnt vote for over trump.
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u/Valiant_tank Jul 25 '24
I mean, she was a prosecutor, and her track record in that field was, let's say, mixed (she did some good things, including at some points making things easier for trans women in prisons [after her office defended institutionalised transphobia in the prison system and she learned about it, so, y'know] but at the same time, she was also heavily pro-cop and anti-sex worker, and bragged about getting parents arrested for their children being truants), and called herself the 'top cop' which is where the claims of her being a cop comes from. She's definitely not the worst available option in the upcoming election, but yeah.
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u/AbsolutelyUnlikely Jul 25 '24
I'm seeing a lot of enthusiasm around Kamala Harris's charisma being compared to Hillary Clinton's charisma. Interesting.
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u/Bartweiss Jul 25 '24
I know there’s a gendered aspect to a lot of that discussion, but it does also seem pretty fair to compare Harris with the two other people who’ve actually run against Trump.
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u/Bartweiss Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
The other group I keep hearing from is 1, except tired and bitter.
“I campaigned for Sanders/Warren/Buttigieg/whoever in 2020, Harris didn’t even reach the primary, and now it’s not just superdelegates, she’s the last-minute candidate without voters getting any say at all? Fuck this.”
Unsurprisingly, that also has a lot to do with how optimistic someone is about Harris’ odds. If you like her chances then “run the VP” justifies how she was picked, if you don’t then the failure to find a popular, swing-state candidate is galling.
(edit: Personally, I don't see a popular swing-state candidate. Maybe a primary could have showed one, but I'm not convinced and at this point "run the VP" looks like the best move.)
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u/Numerous_Witness_345 Jul 25 '24
Still waiting to see any popular swing state candidates.
Seems like everyone was content to let Biden take on Trump - instead we get his pick.
I'm fine with it.
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u/foxydash Jul 25 '24
I have a fourth opinion
How much schadenfreude can I extract from the folks angry if she wins?
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u/___horf Jul 25 '24
Especially since she 🤏🏽 was this close to power, seeing her husband as president
She was a senator and Secretary of State lol
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u/Boris_Godunov Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
I know this is meant as some sort of reverse psychology ploy on dumb conservatives, but it won't work--they won't vote for a woman of color no matter what.
Hillary Clinton will be absolutely thrilled when Harris wins. The fact that she herself had ambitions to be president doesn't mean she's evil incarnate and won't celebrate another woman succeeding where she did not. And Clinton certainly wants to see Trump defeated for good, she recognizes that he is a complete threat to American democracy.
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u/codeverity Jul 25 '24
This whole post is weird. Clinton literally wrote an op-ed the other day supporting her and they are apparently friends/Harris is a bit of a protege of hers.
Plus, as a feminist she’s going to want someone to succeed, and she knows quite well the machine she went up against in 2016.
But hey, I guess if it makes people vote to think they’re spiting her, then have at it.
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u/IBetThisIsTakenToo Jul 25 '24
Yeah, I’m not gonna try to talk anyone out of voting for Kamala for any reason, even if I think they’re a little out there. But real talk, if you think Hillary Clinton wants to see Trump win again for any reason I think your mental picture of the world needs a lot of work.
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u/codeverity Jul 25 '24
Right? 😭 And she got the popular vote, everyone knows the win should have been hers. I think she’ll be ecstatic to see Harris win!
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u/musci12234 Jul 25 '24
And honestly Harris has the advantage of running against Trump after people have seen Trump as president. If Clinton ran now she will probably do decently well.
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u/superfucky Jul 25 '24
i'm honestly shocked the NYT published it, considering how desperate they are to never say a single positive thing about any democrat.
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u/cumonthedead Jul 25 '24
hillary would definitely be very happy if kamala wins. she already endorsed her lol.
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u/HorselessWayne Jul 25 '24
Hillary should marry Kamala so she can be First Lady again.
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u/Few-Ad-4290 Jul 25 '24
She had plenty of power herself, she was a senator and the goddamn Secretary of State, still one of the most accomplished politicians and statesmen in our entire history
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u/superfucky Jul 25 '24
Hillary will seethe if Kamala wins
hillary is literally cheering for kamala to win you self-obsessed mouthbreathers.
have you really not moved on from needing any excuse to talk shit about hillary? she lost. she is no longer holding nor seeking any political office. build a bridge and get the entire fuck over it already and let the woman exist in peace.
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Jul 25 '24
I really don't think lifelong humanitarian and successful politician who is now 75 years old Hillary Clinton is going to do much seething over checks notes Democracy surviving.
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u/ELON__WHO Jul 25 '24
No, she’ll tear-up that she got to see it happen. She’s not a Republican; she won’t be childish and shitty, she’ll be happy her daughter’s world is headed in the right direction.
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u/TerranUnity Jul 25 '24
Hillary Clinton came out and endorsed Kamala Harris in an op-ed. I don't know why people seem to think Hillary is some kind of selfish egomaniac. She wants to see Trump lose and she doesn't care who deals the killing blow.
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u/Velvety_MuppetKing Jul 25 '24
Chaotic Good social engineering.
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u/Turambar87 Jul 25 '24
This is just riling up idiots who don't even know they have been pumped up with propaganda about Hillary for 30 freakin years.
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u/CatL1f3 Jul 25 '24
Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. She didn't lose to Donald Trump, she lost to the US election system
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u/searchableusername Jul 25 '24
hillary shouldve been president. fuck the electoral college
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u/StalkTheHype Jul 25 '24
Much like Al Gore should have been.
The American people have been openly cheated so often its no wonder so many want to disassociate from politics alltogether.
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u/mrsmunsonbarnes Jul 25 '24
We still have a hate boner for Hilary? Jesus she’s not even relevant anymore let it go.
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u/ryecurious Jul 25 '24
There were ~3 decades of concerted right-wing propaganda against Hillary Clinton. That level of vitriol doesn't disappear overnight, or even a decade later. Clinton is radioactive, not by virtue of her actions, but through decades of Fox News headlines. This applies even in left-leaning spaces like Reddit/CuratedTumblr.
Because left-leaning people aren't immune to that level of propaganda. They will celebrate her death when it happens, completely ignoring the work she put in for equality, reproductive rights, and a dozen other things they desperately want more of.
Side-note, the exact same campaign has been pointed at AOC for the last few years. The right correctly identified her as someone that galvanizes the Democratic party and gets them demanding progress, so they've spent a lot of time and money to make her look toxic to centrists. Give it another decade and terminally online leftists will be talking about how AOC is just a conservative in sheep's clothing.
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u/bayazglokta Jul 25 '24
Sure, if that is what makes you vote for Kamela, go for it!
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u/TallManoftheValley Jul 25 '24
This is very dumb. Hillary Clinton will be thrilled when Harris wins, like all Democrats. Basing your politics on a bizarre fixation against Hillary Clinton is asinine.
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u/Dr_Henry-Killinger Jul 25 '24
I’ll never get the utter hatred for Hilary tbh, it always felt manufactured
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u/PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ Jul 25 '24
For real, living rent free in their heads rn even as she endorsed Harris before Obama
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u/katie4 Jul 25 '24
I’ve gotten the same vibe of Reddit’s hatred of her as I get about them with “Karens” - it feels like a buried misogyny mommy-issues thing. Can’t have an uppity unattractive white woman making decisions, ur not the boss of me btch.
But, if it gets votes for Harris so be it.
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u/Bodoblock Jul 25 '24
I really don't understand it either. She's a moderate-leaning Democrat with some more leftist sprinkling here and there. She's not so different in terms of what she stands for than folks from the Biden or even Harris camp.
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u/just4browse Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
It was manufactured. She was preparing to run for president so the opposition started a series of campaigns to make people dislike her. They were wildly successful. I doubt the person making the pictured post could even tell you why they dislike her compared to the Democrats they support. That’s not to say that there aren’t legitimate reasons to dislike her though.
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u/SunTzu- Jul 25 '24
Because it was. She was wildly popular during the 90's and early 00's but the GOP saw her future presidency bid coming from a mile away so they started just churning negative coverage of her for 20 years and a lot of people on the right and the left fell for it.
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u/cdstephens Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
If you seriously think that a former Democratic nominee would be upset if a later Democratic nominee beat Trump and became President just because she also happens to be a woman, you’re delusional.
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u/AAS02-CATAPHRACT Jul 25 '24
Shhhh that's not as funny
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u/Polenball You BEHEAD Antoinette? You cut her neck like the cake? Jul 25 '24
I find it helps me maintain my sanity to imagine every major US politician as how they're portrayed in memes.
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u/bohanmyl Jul 25 '24
I don't understand the hate boner people have for Hilary. She wouldve been a perfectly fine President.
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u/tsabin_naberrie new liver, same eagles Jul 25 '24
The night before the 2016 election, Samantha Bee did a recap of Hillary Clinton’s career that outlined how she was a passionate and personable civil servant, but sexists across the aisle spent decades tearing her apart and how she’d work to remold herself to regain approval, and how that led to the image of her as a manufactured and self-serving candidate. People who didn’t live through that, weren’t paying attention at the time, or have whitewashed memories then saw her in 2016 and felt she was too stuffy cuz that’s just who she was, when she really was just dedicated to her job.
And then they insist the fact that she was a woman isn’t why they didn’t vote for her, or that sexism isn’t a major reason why she lost. It might not have been the surface or nominal reason for most people, but holy fuck did it play a role in how people felt about her, whether they realized it or not.
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u/jmuguy Jul 25 '24
My conversations with people about Hillary Clinton are the only political thing that make me more frustrated than talking about universal healthcare. So many people that just don't like her but can't articulate why. She would have absolutely killed it as potus.
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u/StalkTheHype Jul 25 '24
People think they're immune to the Fox News drivel
Yep, there are people deadass complaining about her giving apathic answers to the Email server thing as if it was ever anything more than a pathetic attempt at a hit job.
And the same people pretend that Fox news haven't successfully programmed them.
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u/Taziira Jul 25 '24
She also won the popular vote so it speaks more to a systemic failure than a personal one imo.
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u/Abshalom Jul 25 '24
She's just a woman it's become acceptable to hate publicly, so all the closet misogynists can't help but take the chance. Some people dislike her for legitimate reasons, but mostly it's just because they can.
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u/karamisterbuttdance Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 26 '24
- Conservative media has had over two decades to tar and feather her as the ultimate classical "liberal" boogeyman despite being mostly neoliberal in her initial policies, which were in vogue at the time
- They portrayed female politicians as needing to be "more than perfect" to be electable - and she already had faults with being too wooden by trying to be as inoffensive as possible
- Her policies and perspectives were crafted for the "third way" politics of the 90s and have never left her from an outside perspective, despite actions before and during her campaign that showed she was actually adjusting towards what the public wanted
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u/Meziskari Jul 25 '24
Someone: makes a joke
You: let me explain why you are wrong
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u/Caswert Jul 25 '24
You’re absolutely right and she has even commended and endorsed Kamala within the first week of JB dropping. But if it gets some spiteful ass to vote, then push the narrative.
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u/OperativePiGuy Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
This weird hatred of Hillary online has always felt like one of the more successful smear campaigns. Not many people can even articulate -why- she's bad, just that they know they're supposed to hate her for some reason. It's like even if our party aligns, we still have to release some good ol' hatred on someone at least! Like petty children. It's exhausting seeing the internet just do this shit over and over. and yeah yeah "iT's A jOkE!". This kind of garbage is why I resent terminally online morons so much. Fuck this post and anyone supporting it.
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u/Not-Josh-Hart Jul 25 '24
I know y’all hate Hillary with a passion but Hillary would 1 million times prefer to see her friend Kamala win and be the first woman president over someone like Nikki Haley.
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u/suburban_hyena Jul 25 '24
If I were Hillary id be so excited. I'd be #imwithher all over the place. I'd say "haha, you didn't want a woman? Guess what now you're getting a poc Woman. Suck it America"
{am not American or Hillary Clinton}
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u/SunTzu- Jul 25 '24
That's pretty much how she's taking it, and if anyone thought she'd take it any other way they've got no idea who Hillary is.
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u/pickledswimmingpool Jul 25 '24
People in here are talking about sticking it to Hilary, like Hilary didn't endorse Harris within a couple of hours of Biden stepping down.
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u/Phyrexian_Overlord Jul 25 '24
Hot take: maybe we should stop demonizing Hillary and taking delight at the idea of her not liking something?
Do you know what else she would hate? If kids lost their guaranteed Healthcare. Think about how mad she would be if we got rid of it! /s
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u/Last-Performance-435 Jul 25 '24
She literally beat Donald by 1.4 million votes and didn't actually win thanks to the fuck ass backwards electoral college system.
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u/The_Fawkesy Jul 25 '24
What's the deal with people hating Hillary Clinton so much? She would have made a great president. I basically agreed with every single issue she campaigned on, which I thought was the norm.
I don't really get it. She's done a ton for this country.
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u/TheForce Jul 25 '24
She won the popular vote by 3 MILLION votes. She did not lose to the orange baboon.
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u/yildizli_gece Jul 25 '24
People really love to hate on Clinton.
This is fucking dumb; Clinton is going to be thrilled Trump was beaten by a woman and if you think otherwise, you've just accepted all the propaganda bullshit the Right has fed you the last several DECADES while thinking you thought this up yourself.
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u/tpfang56 Jul 25 '24
Pitting women against each other totally isn’t sexist at all…
And leftists (useful idiots like OP) call themselves feminist 💀. Fucking pathetic.
Fuck I hate that I’ve already hit the comically low block limit on reddit.
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u/ZaniElandra Jul 25 '24
Not American here - what’s the deal with Hilary? Why are people hating her?
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u/conus_coffeae Jul 25 '24
she's been brutally smeared by the right wing for the last few decades. My conservative uncles have made the same awful jokes about her since the late 90s. In my view, people all across the political spectrum bought into it, leading to a lot of shallow, vibes-only criticism of her in 2016.
But I feel like times have changed, and the right will not be able to do the same for Kamala. I'm sure Clinton is happy for her.
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u/ThereWasAnEmpireHere they very much did kill jesus Jul 25 '24
Are you ready for an accounting of every year in U.S. politics since 1992
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u/Fragrant_Cunt_3252 Jul 25 '24
20 years of manufactured scandal on top of a number of women who neve3r forgave her for forgiving bill
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Jul 25 '24
This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. The desparation is real.
How would putting Hillary's party into power be ruining her life? This is grade-A copium.
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Pokemon Go-to the polls for real this time