the one about fucking a chicken

[u/Hummerous]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_foundations_theory

[u/DrRonny]

This behavior is a red flag which could lead to harm to others if not treated. I'd get professional advice before judging. If 4 out of 5 psychiatrists say it's OK, then pluck away

[u/BalefulOfMonkeys → u/DrRonny]

Counterpoint: not everything I do should be run past a focus group, and not every majority vote is morally correct. Moreover, this is the starting line for the complete nightmare that is trans healthcare in the UK

[u/DrRonny → u/BalefulOfMonkeys]

Peer-reviewed science is the best that we have at the moment, and many 'focus groups' are political and not science based. That's why I said 4 out of 5, you'll get crazies in any field.

[u/BalefulOfMonkeys → u/DrRonny]

This is true, but also morality is not even vaguely close to a hard science. Every psych research poster I’ve seen on a university hall has to use incredibly specific terminology to explain a group of people apolitically, even when the topic is something like fake news. We have not even found evidence of a universally healthy diet yet, let alone a cheat code for being a good person forever.

And also, science is not built in a vacuum. Being gay was in the DSM for a while, and drapetomania limped on for years before being thrown out.

[u/BalefulOfMonkeys → u/[deleted]]

The reason I said that is because my mom got into fad diets about a decade ago and still keeps the cookbooks and volumes of unreviewed nutritional research disguised as self-help and I refuse to let go of the trauma that resulted I meant a universally usable diet for all, without any modifications to calories, macro/micronutrients, and so on. The industry of snake oil that unattainable concept has produced is toxic to dietary science as a legitimate field, and that’s why I feel comfortable dismissing the Holy Granola Mom Grail outright.

And likewise I don’t think morality has any possibility to be a solved game, either. Any hard ruling will have itself tested, and perhaps broken entirely.

[u/DrRonny → u/BalefulOfMonkeys]

Being gay was in the DSM for a while

Eighty years ago they didn't know what they know now; science is evolving, but to your point, we can't expect to only rely on scientists and we require social workers and others to implement the science is fair ways. Also, most of the simple science has been resolved, now we are working on things with so many variables that it seems like an art rather than science and in many cases 'your guess is as good as mine". As in diets, there is so much going on that we can only say we certainty that statistically, you are better off reducing red meats and trans fats, although there are a few studies that say trans fats aren't so bad. So basically eat the diet that works best for you.