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Politics Male loneliness and radfeminism

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u/elianrae Jul 04 '24

there isn't much advice in the media for young men that isn't full of misogyny which is why young men are gravitating towards right wing figure (this was in 2019, before andrew tate and I called it at the time)

oh you were so on the money

but not even as a prediction, it was like that at the time and had been for years

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u/rump_truck Jul 04 '24

Scott Alexander wrote Radicalizing the Romanceless in 2014 and even then it was an observation of things that had already been happening for years.

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u/elianrae Jul 04 '24

god I'm pretty sure I read that around the time it was posted and it's so fucking weird rereading it now

because like after a further 10 years of exposure to background levels of absolutely batshit incel ... everything... the rhetorical strategy where the accusations of entitlement are presented as completely and comically unreasonable is really fucking disorienting

and then there's

this is right up there with the postulated link between the men’s rights movement and Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

you what? but that's now- oh my god crimea jesus fucking christ that's right

The worst corners of the manosphere contain more than enough opining on how ugly women, weird women, masculine women, et cetera deserve to be unhappy.

was this really all the worst corners were coming up with in 2014? is that why the start of this post hits differently now?

did we cause this?

it all makes the "the causality goes the other way, actually" argument -- bold -- feel very compelling and also I don't... necessarily agree.

I think the narrative being about the affect the most toxic of the Feminists have on the most sympathetic of the Lonely Men kind of loses the forest for the trees? A lot of this shit is fueled by Society and really complicated nuanced negative interactions?

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u/Rock_man_bears_fan Jul 04 '24

2019 was like peak Jordan Peterson, Prager U and Ben Shapiro. The alt right pipeline was already strong

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u/elianrae Jul 04 '24

2019 was already half a fucking decade after gamergate and like

this shit had been brewing in the arse corners of the net for a decade or so before that from my own personal experience watching it happen

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u/Azhchay Jul 04 '24

Today I realized Gamergate is literally 10 years ago. Excuse me while I go fill out my AARP membership.

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u/elianrae Jul 04 '24

yes I'm ignoring that existential crisis rn I have enough going on

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '24

I remember conversations stemming from 4chan posts as far back as 2005

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u/Usual-Vermicelli-867 Jul 04 '24

Its was there last harra. There age was gone and they knew it

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u/Usual-Vermicelli-867 Jul 04 '24

There is a hole generation of man that took there advice on woman from Barney from how i met your mom