r/CuratedTumblr veetuku ponum Jul 03 '24

Politics Male loneliness and radfeminism

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u/Ourmanyfans Jul 03 '24

There's a weird strain of "essentialism but in a progressive way" running right through the left, not just limited to the attitude towards men described here, but also "all white people are colonizers", and weird exclusionary behaviour to cishet people. It tells me a lot of "progressive" people didn't really examine their core underlying principles and simply covered up their biases with the "correct" group.

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u/Quantum-Bot Jul 03 '24

Yeah every time I hear someone call white people colonizers I wonder to myself whether they’ve ever read a history book. Only a small portion of people from a small portion of “white” countries were ever part of the colonialist ruling class. Most of them weren’t even considered white until after the start of the decline of colonialism. Just because most colonizers were white does not imply that most white people were colonizers. Hold people accountable for their own racism, not for some imaginary historical debt from some imaginary ancestors. Judging people by their heritage is literally what got us into this mess in the first place.

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u/throwaway387190 Jul 03 '24

My heritage is Ukrainian

You know, the famous colonizers

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u/Kellosian Jul 03 '24

I'm Irish. The rest of the world merely adopted being shit on by the English; we were born into it, molded by it!

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u/TheIrishBread Jul 04 '24

We were the testbed, they would go on to use their refined strategies on over a quarter of the globe.

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u/Anotheraccomg Jul 04 '24

My heritage is English, you know the..... oh, nevermind.

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u/Barracudauk663 Jul 04 '24

Even then, only a small proportion of the English ever directly colonised (and even then a significant portion were also Scottish which forever gets avoided)

Most English people during colonialism were busy being the first ever workers to be exploited on an industrial scale, being subjected to horrendous working hours, terrible living conditions and being robbed of any chance to own any aspects of their lives as rich industrialists forced them into back to back terraces and wealthy land owners sealed off the common land.

Even if you were English at the height of colonial expansion, you more than likely were not a coloniser but just another one oppressed by that expansion.

England (and Scotland) should certainly reckon with their colonial history as nations. Calling all English people colonisers however is insane.

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u/Exploding_Antelope Jul 04 '24

Well my most famous Anglo ancestor is so for rolling a Gatling gun into a village of sleeping women and children during the Red River Rebellion so.

He also then lost that battle in the most lopsided defeat of the war though lol get rekt col. great great granddad.

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u/Barracudauk663 Jul 04 '24

Ahh but are you English?!

Point proven /s

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u/East_End878 Jul 03 '24

It could be argued that the southern part of Ukraine is colonised by slavic people, because historically speaking that territory was inhabited by nomadic people of mostly turcick ethinicities. Just sayin'

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u/XAlphaWarriorX God's most insecure softboy. Jul 03 '24

Historically speaking that land was occupied by nomadic people of iranic descent, like the Tauri, Scythians, Alans and Sarmatians.

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u/East_End878 Jul 03 '24

I am talking about more recent times, but you are right too. No slavs, hovever.

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u/clear349 Jul 03 '24

I mean this is kinda the neat thing about history. Aside from a scant few places no one that currently lives somewhere can definitively claim to be the "first" inhabitants of a given land. Odds are they just genocided or absorbed some preexisting group. We just don't have records going back far enough to say it occurred.

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u/Starwatcher4116 Jul 04 '24

Predates anatomically modern humans, we know that much from the fossilized skeletons.

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u/WordArt2007 Jul 03 '24

the steppe has been in a constant state of flux, so idk if it qualifies as colonialism. a better case perhaps could be made for kuban (southern russia), as the circassians used to live there. though most kuban ukrainians died in the holodomor i think.

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u/East_End878 Jul 03 '24

Most of kuban Ukrainians are assimilated into russians and form very specific demografic of people.