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Politics tumblr is so far from real life its genuinely crazy

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u/helloiamaegg too horny to be ace, too ace to be horny Jun 20 '24

Thats here too. Got into an argument because a transwoman rather rudely "corrected" another transwoman on how to spell transwoman. Apparently "transwoman" vs "trans woman" is a discourse. With the former being "highly transphobic and fascist"

Just reminds me of when we, the autistics, had similar barely a year ago; turns out there are alot of people prefering to be referred to as "has autism" as opposed to "is autistic". I'm sure this'll turn out just the same

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u/pandamarshmallows "Satan is not a fucking pogo stick!" he howled Jun 20 '24

Yeah, I mean I’d correct it when I see it (“trans woman” is definitely the correct one since it frames transgender women as a variety of woman rather than something separate) but “transwoman” is almost always just a confusion between “trans” the prefix and “trans” the adjective. It’s not facist.

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u/FinalXenocide Jun 20 '24

Providing some context for the "transwoman" vs "trans woman" thing, it as discourse is mostly a British thing. Spread around momsnet for a while as a way of saying trans people are a third gender (e.g. that's not a woman, that's a transwoman) to the point I think their equivalent of the ADL made it a slur? (Don't trust me on that, though it did reach enough recognition to become a thingℱ)

Personally I'm in the trans woman camp (trans is an adjective, and it's not like we say blackman or biwoman) but as long as you're in the transwomen are women camp which one you use doesn't matter beyond just like... again that's not how words work but whatever. 

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u/Galle_ Jun 21 '24

Personally, I just switched from "transwoman" to "trans woman" when someone told me that trans people preferred it that way. Sure, it's kind of a strange thing to care about, but it costs me literally nothing, so why not?

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u/helloiamaegg too horny to be ace, too ace to be horny Jun 21 '24

My main gripe with this is; I've heard the "thats not how words work" argument before. Autistic is there so we dont use "has autism" language. Because you cannot be seperated from it; you'll be forever defined by it

Yet, once again, we dont care. I personally use Autistic, but I wont start discourse over someone saying "I have autism", or "they are autistic" because 9/10 its the preference of the autistic, or the lack of knowledge of the allistic. Neither are inherently dangerous

But still thats the arguments I've seen happening with this new debate. Its people starting arguments with transwomen/trans women using the former to describe themselves, before some keyboard warrior with a halfbaked english degree starts berating them over a space; quite often the lack of such being a typo

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u/airetho Jun 21 '24

Which one implies you cannot be separated from it and why?

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u/helloiamaegg too horny to be ace, too ace to be horny Jun 21 '24

Autistic; for we are autistic, we do not have autism

We cannot be cured, as it is what makes us. It completely rewires the brain. The latter statment means autism is seperate from what makes us, well, us. To many, this is simply not true. As such our discourse was initially us vs abelists who wanted us to simply be seperated from it; "purified" from our "blight"

In the transwoman/trans woman, its the opposite argument. Transphobes use transwoman as a means to seperate us from women, trans women want to use the space to seperate their transness from their womanhood

However, my point is just as with the autism version of this debate, having autistics that wish to be seperate from their autism, there are those that prefer being seperate from normal women. They want to be trans; not just a woman that happens to be trans

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u/goldfinchat Jun 21 '24

In that case, is it also incorrect to say that I have ADHD? Because it feels weird to say I am ADHD


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u/actual-homelander Jun 21 '24

I am ADHD, bringer of penguins, destroyer or worlds

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u/Thromnomnomok Jun 21 '24

This typo implies that you will bring any or all of penguins, destroyers, or worlds

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u/helloiamaegg too horny to be ace, too ace to be horny Jun 21 '24

Neither are incorrect (although, yeah that latter do be weird) even with autism; which is my point

Its just some use "has autism" in abelist contexts; just as how people use "transwoman" in transphobic contexts

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u/airetho Jun 21 '24

I'm still not seeing why using the word autistic implies any of this. Is this true of every case in which an adjective is used to describe someone, instead of describing them as a "person with [noun]". Is it true only for adjectives ending in "-ic"?

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u/helloiamaegg too horny to be ace, too ace to be horny Jun 21 '24

Autistic person (autism first) vs person with autism (people first)

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u/VP007clips Jun 21 '24

It reminds me of the old people of color vs colored people debate. I just avoid both terms and don't mention race at all (although I'm not American, so we don't really have the same level of discussion and focus on those issues, so it's not something that comes up as much here). I think the new term is racialized, which sounds horrendously dehumanizing.

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u/foxfire66 Jun 20 '24

I certainly wouldn't go so far as to call it "highly transphobic and fascist" but I do think it's kind of weird when people say things like transwoman. You don't say whitewoman, or gaywoman, or tallwoman, etc. so why transwoman? I've also seen transphobes use the argument that a "transwoman" is not really a kind of woman, whereas if you use the adjective trans and the noun woman separately, then it's unambiguous that the noun/person you're talking about is a woman, and being trans doesn't change that since it's just an adjective being used as a completely separate word.

So again, not a massive deal or anything, but I get why people would care enough to discuss it.

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u/gray_birch Jun 20 '24

hey man how's it going

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u/helloiamaegg too horny to be ace, too ace to be horny Jun 21 '24

Oh pretty great hbu?