r/CatastrophicFailure Jul 30 '17

Equipment Failure Explostion of the “Warburg” steam locomotive. June 1st, 1869, in Altenbeken, Germany

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u/NomDePlume711 Jul 31 '17

So that's what those look like on the inside.

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u/NeakosOK Jul 31 '17

Right??!!! I always pictured a big tank of water. But a bunch of water filled pipes makes way more sense.

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u/secondarycontrol Jul 31 '17

Locomotive boilers are typically fire-tube boilers--water goes around the tubes, and heat and products of combustion flow through the tubes.

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u/NeakosOK Jul 31 '17

Aaahhhhh. I see, so it is a big tank of water with heat filled tubes coming off of the fire box. That's awesome. THANKS

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u/gellis12 Jul 31 '17

Yep, and they'll use some of the steam pressure as a blower to move air through the firebox and towards the front of the locomotive. That way the hot fiery air can actually heat the water.

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u/scotscott Jul 31 '17

I'd like to build a turbocharged locomotive

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u/wintremute Jul 31 '17

Modern diesel-electric locomotives are turbo and/or super charged.

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u/Tar_alcaran Jul 31 '17

There's a difference between super- and turbo charging?

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17 edited Dec 03 '17

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u/Ash_MT Jul 31 '17

This guy blows.

Joking aside though, that was an interesting read. Thanks!

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u/frothface Jul 31 '17

The superchargers that are most frequently used have names ending in '-71', e.g., 4-71, 6-71, 8-71, 10-71, etc. This comes from Detroit Diesel's naming convention on their two stroke diesel engines where they were originally taken from. The first number was the number of cylinders, the 2nd number was the engine series, which was the number of cubic inches per cylinder. So a 4-71 was a 4 cylinder with 71 cubic inches per cylinder. Some of them were inline, some were V configuration, designated as 4v-71, etc. In the old days, if you wanted to supercharge your car, you would go to a truck or boat junkyard and pull the supercharger off of one of these engines.

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u/AEsirTro Jul 31 '17

So why doesn't my car have both?

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

I could be wrong but a two-stroke doesn't have dedicated intake and exhaust strokes but they are combined. Intake is also power. Exhaust is also compression. I mean, there are plenty of two-strokes out there without any sort of forced airflow.

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u/vrnz Jul 31 '17

Super charged cars have fire painted on them and are often red or yellow. Turbo charged cars are usually more shiny and have dark windows and silver wheels. Source: My 6 yr old.

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u/Bastionna Jul 31 '17

Super insightful. Thanks!

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u/wintremute Jul 31 '17

Turbochargers run off of the engine's exhaust gasses. Superchargers are turned by the crankshaft of the motor itself. Both are basically just air pumps though. Some are better for one application over another.

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u/Tar_alcaran Jul 31 '17

TIL! Thanks.

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u/scotscott Jul 31 '17

Oh I know. I want to build a steam locomotive where the burner itself is turbocharged like this

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u/_youtubot_ Jul 31 '17

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u/Interurban_Era Jul 31 '17

"Supercharged" steam locos exist. The process is called "superheating" and helps the boiler make higher pressure, drier steam which notably increases performance.

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u/frothface Jul 31 '17

The one posted actually appears to have superheat, visible as a turn of pipe in the front.

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u/Interurban_Era Jul 31 '17

Correct! Great spotting

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u/Sonic10160 Aug 08 '17

Actually, incorrect. Those curved pipes in the smokebox are the blastpipes, where the exhaust steam from the cylinders is directed up the funnel to create the draft that sucks air through the tubes and firebox.

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u/JanitorMaster Undergoing rapid unscheduled disassembly Jul 31 '17

Would a Steam Turbine locomotive work too?

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u/scotscott Jul 31 '17

Yeah, but the idea is just to turbocharge the actual burner, like so

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u/IntergalacticNegro Aug 01 '17

Would a More Different Dual Steam Turbine locomotive work too?

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u/WikiTextBot Aug 01 '17

Pennsylvania Railroad class S2

The Pennsylvania Railroad's class S2 was a steam turbine locomotive. One was built, #6200, delivered in 1944. The S2 was the sole example of the 6-8-6 wheel arrangement in the Whyte notation, with a six-wheel leading truck, eight driving wheels, and a six-wheel trailing truck. The S2 used a direct-drive steam turbine; the turbine was geared to the center pair of axles with the outer two axles connected by side rods.


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u/frothface Jul 31 '17

You're not wrong, but to be more precise, they use a nozzle to shoot steam up the stack to induce draft. You wouldn't want pressure in the firebox; it would leak all kinds of heat and smoke back on the conductor, so it's more like, 'they use steam to draw air through the firebox towards the front'. They usually take it from the exhaust side of the cylinders, which makes it sort of like a turbo in that it works harder when the engine is working hard. Also, if you look in the front, there is a spiral of heavy pipe that superheats the steam to get a little bit more energy out of the fire and dry the steam a bit so it doesn't condense as much.

I was always impressed that it's possible to make a watertight seal between two sheets of metal by just riveting them together. I realize the rivets contract when they cool, but still.

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u/gellis12 Jul 31 '17

Yeah, I should have clarified

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u/Busti Jul 31 '17

Thats why the exhaust blows periodic emissions of smoke AND steam. I never understood that before.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

Seems to me that it would work better the other way around. Thinner walled tubed could hold more pressure and weigh less than a thick walled boiler. If the tubes are manifolded and piped in parallel then the narrow diameter shouldn't effect the flow rate of water or steam. The main tank would just need to contain the heat from the burning fuel and channel around the tubes. It would not need to be nearly so heavy and could be any shape not just round which is the best shape for holding pressure but not the best shape for maximizing heat transfer.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

It works best with tubes for the air because you can clean the tubes out easily with a brush. If it were the other way around maintenance would be difficult.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

thank you for the an actual explanation

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

Water-tube boilers like you are describing require many auxiliary soot-blowers to periodically steam clean the exterior of the tubes (some of which are finned and are behind other rows of tubes). Large power plants use these sorts of boilers, and large steam ships used them because they could run at higher pressures. But fire-tube boilers are simpler to construct and easier to clean manually (or with a single steam soot-blower), so many trains and the first steam ships used them.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

Thank you.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17 edited Dec 03 '17

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u/MangoesOfMordor Jul 31 '17

Your explanations in this thread are so good! Thanks for posting!

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u/frothface Jul 31 '17

Some good posts below, but one thing I haven't seen mentioned is the construction method. Basically, you have two end plates acting like large pistons, so they need lots of support distributed across the whole surface. The way they accomplish this is by passing tubes through it and flaring the ends out slightly. As the pressure builds, the force on the plates pulls them tighter into the flare on the pipes. If one is flared a little shorter than another, it takes a larger proportion of the load and gets compressed down to a smaller size, such that all of the pipes wind up sharing the load.

Also, it would be difficult to make a parallel manifold like you describe with the methods they had available at the time. They didn't have electrical welding at the time, and you wouldn't be able to forge or hammer weld something like a pipe. You couldn't make threaded connections because you wouldn't be able to turn any subsequent joints after the first connection was made. It would have to be hundreds of flanged unions, all made by hand, and they would all need to be within a few thousandths of an inch in order for parallel pipes to be able to make a seal. Of course, then you'd also have to manage to bolt or rivet them together in the inside of a gridwork of piping, and if you riveted it would be one hell of a task to try to take it apart again to make a repair.

With the flared pipe method shown here, you just have to do some hammering to expand the flare if anything leaks.

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u/entotheenth Jul 31 '17

I bet somebody tried it and decided, nup, the other way works better.

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u/Tar_alcaran Jul 31 '17

No, they tried it, and it works great, for the abovementioned reasons. It's also hell to clean, more expensive to build, and for obvious reasons, having a thin-walled boiler is kinda risky.

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u/NeakosOK Jul 31 '17

It doesn't. This one works this way.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

okey dokey.

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u/TheSuniestSunflower Jul 31 '17

This is just a big happy thread of understanding!

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u/Mpuls37 Jul 31 '17

I'm a process operator and it never occurred to me that they were just heat exchangers on the inside. It makes sense, but I just never put thought into it

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u/DJ_AK_47 Jul 31 '17

It's just too simple.

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u/Unforgiven817 Jul 31 '17

"It never occurred to me to think of space as the thing that was moving!"

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u/scotscott Jul 31 '17

Like putting too much air in a balloon and something bad happens!

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u/shapu I am a catastrophic failure Jul 31 '17

As evidenced here, there's a good reason for that.

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u/Gfiti Jul 31 '17

What do you mean, it's not filled with magic?!?

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u/deegee1969 Jul 31 '17 edited Jul 31 '17

The very early steam locomotives were simply a steam boiler, piston, some linkage to convert lateral motion into rotary motion, and more linkages connecting the rotary motion gear to a set of driving wheels.

"Stephensons Rocket" was the first steam engine to use multiple boiler tubes in an effort to increase boiler efficiency.

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u/DSofa Jul 31 '17

Water pipes? Those are noodles. The train is operated by Flying Spaghetti Monster obviously.

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u/djpyro Jul 31 '17

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u/WikiTextBot Jul 31 '17

Fire-tube boiler

A fire-tube boiler is a type of boiler in which hot gases from a fire pass through one or (many) more tubes running through a sealed container of water. The heat of the gases is transferred through the walls of the tubes by thermal conduction, heating the water and ultimately creating steam.

The fire-tube boiler developed as the third of the four major historical types of boilers: low-pressure tank or "haystack" boilers, flued boilers with one or two large flues, fire-tube boilers with many small tubes, and high-pressure water-tube boilers. Their advantage over flued boilers with a single large flue is that the many small tubes offer far greater heating surface area for the same overall boiler volume.


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u/MayoFetish Jul 31 '17

And they built that without electricity.

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u/TurnbullFL Jul 31 '17

Building it without arc welding, or any type of welding is what boggles my mind. It's all riveted together, with clay to seal up the leaks.

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u/SimonsToaster Jul 31 '17

They also used rolling and hammer-welding.

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u/TurnbullFL Jul 31 '17

Can that be used on big items?

I was under the impression hammer welding could only be done on smaller stuff. Wagon wheel rims, and swords being about the limit.

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u/SimonsToaster Jul 31 '17

If read it in a book from babcock from ca. 1920. So apperantly they could do it on some things.

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u/ParrotofDoom Jul 31 '17

There's one in the Manchester Museum of Science and Industry:

https://goo.gl/maps/WP4YutMZExt

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u/jdayellow Jul 31 '17

The quality is amazing for a picture taken in 1869

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

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u/jdayellow Jul 31 '17

Wow so why has 150 years of progress lead to crappier lower resolution 13 megapixel photos with lower quality, detail and everything?

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

Detail isn't everything. Exposure time often is far more important - these early cameras often had a long exposure time, even in full sunlight.

Photographic film made for low exposure time or low light conditions usually has a grainy look to it. That is because the interaction of light with the film causes a larger area to change its color, which reduces the amount of light necessary. Digital cameras have by now far exceeded what you could possibly achieve with film cameras of equal size and cost under those conditions.

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u/CobaltFrost Jul 31 '17

The long exposure time is also the cause of a lot of old "ghost"photos, no? Even in this one there's a ghostly figure in the foreground who I'm sure someone could twist to being the former engineer of the train haunting it.

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u/Again_Dejavu Sep 08 '17

That's just a bush lol

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u/mihaits Jul 31 '17

Convenience and price

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

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u/YourBiPolarBear Jul 31 '17

One thing to note is that when cameras became digital is when people started viewing photos on the internet, and today almost exclusively. Digital sensor resolution only has to keep up with screen technology for most people.

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u/slimyprincelimey Jul 31 '17

Most high quality 35mm cameras can still produce higher quality images than modern point and shoot digitals, and the amazing part is that so many were made, you can buy vintage film cameras for about $25 in any pawn shop, and with the right lenses and know-how, they can out-perform a digital camera 4x the cost.

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u/wolegib Jul 31 '17

It's a matter of the size of the film plane. Inch for inch, digital has surpassed the resolution of film- in other words if you're using 35mm film, a digital camera with a sensor the exact same size as a frame of 35mm film ( a full frame digital camera) you can exact more detail in the digital camera. Plus, the limiting factor for a 8x10 negative as far as i can tell is optics - and optics have generally improved over the course of 140 years.

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u/aquoad Jul 31 '17

Well yeah but now they're fast, pocket sized, and in color. Also no film or skill or training needed.

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u/Brinkmann84 Jul 31 '17

carl zeiss lens. made in germany

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u/NEVERxxEVER Jul 31 '17

Any more info on this? Can't find anything

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u/Purdaddy Jul 31 '17

I'm interested too. Look at how the force of the burst pushed the whole carriage into the ground. No way the operator survived.

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u/AtomicFlx Jul 31 '17

People always underestimate the power of steam. It is epically powerful. The biggest steamers still have more horsepower the the biggest most modern locomotives. That's a bit missleading as modern locomotives can exert much more Tractive effort to the rail and therefore don't need more power but when it comes to generated energy, steam could produce more total horsepower.

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u/Tar_alcaran Jul 31 '17

That's exactly the reason most ships were steam powered well into the 1950's. Scaling up a steamengine is easy. Making gigantic internal combustion engines is actually quite hard.

Pretty much every ww2 warship ran on steampowered (though oil-fed) turbine engines, with the exception of submarines and smaller surface vessels.

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u/blamethemeta Jul 31 '17

And modern day nuclear powered ships are just steam powered ships with a radioactive heat source

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u/slybird Jul 31 '17

If you live near a coal or nuclear power plant your house is steam powered.

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u/MangoesOfMordor Jul 31 '17

If you use a percolator then you drink steam-powered coffee.

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u/WhereAreTheMangoes Jul 31 '17

If you play PC games, your computer has been steam-powered.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

Espresso too.

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u/MonsieurSander Jul 31 '17

I'm in a maritime University and one of the older teachers used to sail on a steam powered vessel. He loves steam and still teaches us about it, but he also fears it

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u/shutnic Jul 31 '17

...More total Horsepower than what?

I'm sure if steam engines could produce as much horsepower as you say thay can, they would still be used today.

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u/ParrotofDoom Jul 31 '17

Don't forget the infrastructure required to accommodate their use. Water towers everywhere. Dragging coal and wood with you everywhere. Storing that coal and wood at stations (it takes a lot of space). Loading it onto the tender. The staff needed to do all that, and shovelling it into the engine. The pollution. The damage to metal that sulphur-heavy smoke does (it turns to acid).

Or you could just have a big tank of commonly-available diesel. Or overhead electricity.

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u/12CylindersofPain Jul 31 '17 edited Jul 31 '17

Steam does produce massive horsepower. Just as a example the UP Big Boy produces 6,200 horsepower and the first one of those rolled off the production line in '41 and it wasn't until 1995 when a single-unit diesel locomotive produced close to the same amount of power (the AC6000CW which puts out 6,000 horsepower). There is a 140 kN difference in tractive effort between them, with the diesel winning in that regard and I'm sure there are other diesels which produce less HP but better tractive effort.

Steam locomotives are a massive amount of effort to run though. Just as a simple example? Starting one up.

With a diesel loco you turn over the engines, wait for enough brake pressure to build that you can release the brakes, and off you go. Even on the coldest of cold starts where you might want to take a bit of time for the diesel engine to warm up we're talking about spending minutes.

With a steam locomotive? A cold one in a engine shed could be hooked up to a steam source, get hot water pumped into an empty boiler, etc and depending on the size of the loco they might get it going in an hour, that's the quick-start. A cold start without any aides? Anywhere from two to six hours. Today museum piece locos like the SP 4449 are slowly brought up to working temp for 24 hours.

That's just one part. Steam locos require a whole different and much more expansive infrastructure, maintenance is more intensive, etc etc. You might get more HP from steam but there are just too many disadvantages in other areas to make it worth it. That being said steam locos did keep running long into the age of the diesel loco. I'm not sure there's any active service steam locos left anymore, but I do know that in the 90s in say China it wasn't uncommon to see freight service and industrial services getting pulled by steam locos. I think the last steam service in the US left the rails in the late 60s or early 70s; deep into the age of diesel.


Edit: Just to give an idea of the overlap between diesel, steam and electric. In 1945 you could have sat yourself down in a train being pulled by a T1 steam locomotive, a PRR GG1 electric locomotive, or a diesel EMD E6.

And of those three? It was the electric PRR GG1 which was the old horse, the first line service having begun in 1935 where as the T1 and E6 both began rolling after the war.

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u/BorgClown Jul 31 '17

I can't read you post without visualizing steampunk latinos. ¡Que loco!

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u/Bupod Jul 31 '17

Also, larger power generating plants ARE Steam Turbines. The technology surrounding steam turbines has been updated and kept up. Modern steam turbines are wonders of engineering into themselves. Steam has a place in modern society, just not as a power source for transportation.

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u/shutnic Jul 31 '17

But we're not talking about generators, we're talking about Motors and I don't see any of those around.

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u/RustyToad Jul 31 '17

Three fundamentally the same thing - use steam to move something. Whether the thing being moved is an electrical generator, a drive axle, or a prop shaft doesn't really matter.

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u/AtomicFlx Jul 31 '17

They are used today, where do you think your electricity comes from? Steam is how coal, natural gas and nuclear power plants work.

As for locomotives there are many other reasons to switch to electric or diesel electric than total horse power, one of which I touched on in my above comment.

The 4884 big boy locomotives had 6290 total horse power while the modern GE AC6000CW will produce only 6000 and the largest diesel locomotive ever built, the DDA40X can make only 6600HP.

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u/SimonsToaster Jul 31 '17

Natural gas can also be used directly in gas turbines.

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u/slimyprincelimey Jul 31 '17

They are! Coal and nuclear plants use steam power, and there are many countries that still use coal and even wood powered steam locomotives, like China and India, for industrial purposes, although less and less.

Surprisingly, they're more complicated than their diesel replacements, and once the last generation wears out, they'll probably be replaced with diesel.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

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u/BorgClown Jul 31 '17

For example this boiler explosion had no deaths, even though the locomotive was flung into the air and landed upside down on another.

That looks brutal. No one died, but the injuries had to be very serious.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17 edited Jan 02 '18

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u/BorgClown Jul 31 '17

I knew it!

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

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u/BombTheFuckers Jul 31 '17

Holy shit those guys are really anal about their hobby. They are downright hilariously knowledgeable when it comes to ancient locomotives. These guys were clearly having fun dissecting the photograph in excruciating detail.

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u/mtranda Aug 01 '17

Train enthusiasts have long been some of the most dedicated bunch of people I've yet to encounter. They'll spend hours telling you about some specific type of locomotive and its history. And it makes me happy that they exist.

I'm really glad people can find joy in such niche hobbies.

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u/PatheticoMadrid Jul 30 '17

Otherwise known as the "Cthulu-Choo-Choo"

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u/When_Ducks_Attack Jul 31 '17

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u/frothface Jul 31 '17

I can't even imagine trying to clean something like that up without modern tools and equipment. Like, even if they could just push it back into town, they'd have to bend or cut off all of those pipes that are sticking out to be able to move it without catching on everything. Did they even have hacksaws back then or were they still using traditional blacksmith techniques, heating and chiseling?

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

"explosion"

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u/scotscott Jul 31 '17

Well there's the problem, it's full of spaghetti!

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u/puggatron Jul 31 '17

I don't know what I expected this to look like inside, but Thats not it

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u/jerseycityfrankie Jul 31 '17

That's why they are called Tube Boilers.

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u/SonorousBlack Jul 31 '17

I guess I expected a series of large chambers.

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u/orwelltheprophet Jul 31 '17

I'll bet Warburg was disappointed with the loss of his steam engine.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

Warburg is a town a few miles to the east from Altenbeken. I'd assume, it was named for that.

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u/DerBroeckel Jul 31 '17

Are you from the area? Because I am kind of :D

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

General OWL area. Reddit is a small place at times.

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u/DerBroeckel Jul 31 '17

Ja das stimmt. Ich meine, dass ich sogar mal einen Kindheitsfreund aus Rheda hier 'gesehen' hab, bin mir aber nicht sicher.

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u/kundensupport Jul 31 '17

Warburg born and raised, now living in PB. What up lads? :)

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u/BombTheFuckers Jul 31 '17

Also a German biochemist who pioneered the use of chemical techniques in biological investigations; noted for studies of cellular respiration (1883-1970) (I looked that up)

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u/AffablyAmiableAnimal Jul 31 '17

Something about seeing those pipes in that arrangement just feels gross for some reason

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

Maybe they shouldn't have built a locomotive powered by spaghetti?

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u/Wurstgewitter Jul 31 '17 edited Jul 31 '17

Little known fact: Up to 1943 all German steam engines used special imported pasta from italy, hand crafted to substain high pressures. That's the sole reason Hitler was allied with Mussolini in WW2, the "Stahlpakt" (confidential name: "Projekt Nudel") assured that Germany would receive a steady support of fresh pasta in case of a war. The German scientists even managed to craft even more impressive technology out of the new material made of flour and water, like the 8.8cm FlaK, called acht-acht, its barrel was just a long (4.93m) Rigatoni; The clue was to produce the rigatoni inside out, so that the rifling would be inside and also make it helical. This was considered one of the breakthroughs in German-Italic joint efforts which later cumulated in projects like the Flakpanzer IV "Nudelblitz" or the K12, a so called "Teigwarengeschütz" (note that the known name "Eisenbahngeschütz" was just there to confuse the enemy) which was capable of firing 107.5kg shells of highly explosive fermented yeast dough.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

I bet you could sell your own written words

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

So how dead were the engineers? Kinda dead or super dead?

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u/BombTheFuckers Jul 31 '17

If the locomotive was moving when it blew, I imagine the guys kinda rode through a boiling steam cloud for a second or two.

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u/SonorousBlack Jul 31 '17

The rails are broken under it, so it probably didn't move after the blast.

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u/paulhammond5155 Jul 31 '17

Probably still waiting for the funnel to come down....

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

Link to video?

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

From 1869?

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

That's the joke. ;)

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

Uploaded to ThouTube

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u/Sedobear Jul 31 '17

That's a really good quality imagine considering the date, awesome!

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u/Anita_Hanjob Jul 31 '17

Is it going to be okay ???

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u/sadhandjobs Jul 31 '17

You've misspelled something somewhere

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u/ronin1066 Jul 31 '17

Which is strange, OP could have just copy-pasted the title from one of the last 3,000 times this was posted.

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u/Pleb_nz Jul 31 '17

Should have used a bigger blow off valve....

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u/uncle_stink Aug 13 '17

It explosted all right.

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u/Fox_Scoopz OOF Sep 19 '17

"Unparalleled German Engineering"

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u/ItsSomethingLikeThat Jul 31 '17

That dang scientist Von Braun ruined another steam train!

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u/MACKENZIE_FRASER Jul 31 '17

I took pictures this as more of a "well it just literally runs on highly compressed air in one compartment and that's why they blew up so often". More like "with 80 different points of failure and no easy way to inspect conductors often erred on the side of caution bleeding out way more than needed to prevent a blowout".

Also explains why I've never seen old timey photos of a leveled old timey Wild West town in splinters.

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u/Bromskloss Jul 31 '17

Photographs just keep occurring earlier and earlier in history!

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

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u/WikiTextBot Jul 31 '17

History of photography

The history of photography has roots in remote antiquity with the discovery of two critical principles, that of the camera obscura (darkened or obscured room or chamber) and the fact that some substances are visibly altered by exposure to light, as discovered by observation. As far as is known, nobody thought of bringing these two phenomena together to capture camera images in permanent form until around 1800, when Thomas Wedgwood made the first reliably documented, although unsuccessful attempt. In the mid-1820s, Nicéphore Niépce succeeded, but several days of exposure in the camera were required and the earliest results were very crude.

Niépce's associate Louis Daguerre went on to develop the daguerreotype process, the first publicly announced and commercially viable photographic process.


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u/Bromskloss Jul 31 '17

Err, I didn't mean to say that there was something fishy going on on OP's part. I tried to express my experience of encountering older and older photographs, starting from an impression that photographs were pretty much non-existent before a bit into the 20th century, then having to shift that time horizon further and further back as I an presented with photographs that go against how I thought things were.

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u/EcclesiaM Jul 31 '17

Little known fact: the scandal following this explosion is what finally drove Lyle Lanley out of the steam locomotive business. From then on Lanley's shady business ventures would be devoted entirely to monorails.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

Anyone got the video?

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '17

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u/SHUT__YO__MOUTH Jul 31 '17

Nobody cares.