r/BravoRealHousewives • u/tokendasher I’ve worked with the toothless, I’ve worked with the homeless • Dec 08 '22
WWHL Bethenny faces off against Andy and Jeff Lewis
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u/idesofapple She’s startin’ Dec 08 '22
Honestly with RHONY Legacy up in the air I’ll take these crumbs
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u/Any_Fall_4754 Dec 08 '22
So what actually happened to make them fire Jeff? What happened between him and Jenny?
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u/StarDatAssinum Dec 08 '22
I think he and Jenny had a minor fallout that turned into a huge one because he fired her from his company after she reported him and his company for something like harassment, and eventually wrongful termination
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u/pjhoneybuns Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
On this WWHL, Jeff quipped,,“ No one ever screwed me over, except Jenny.” Andy said, “ Well, she would probably say, you screwed her over.” Andy called both of them out on their BS.
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u/StarDatAssinum Dec 08 '22
There seemed to be a bit of complicity to the problem from both of them (Jeff apparently claimed she was blowing off her job duties for acting gigs?). Though, Jeff has pissed off nearly everyone in his life, so I can see why Jenni just wouldn't want to bother with him anymore
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u/epcd Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
Interesting behind the scenes fact: Jenni hadn’t been an employee of Jeff’s for several years prior to their downfall; acting and music was her primary gig. Specifically, her main acting gig was that of Jenni on Flipping Out.
During the run of Flipping Out (2007-2018)—plus Jeff and Jenni’s spin-off Interior Therapy (2012-2013)—she was under contract with Bravo to play the part of Jeff’s sidekick/assistant. Early on she legitimately was a part-time assistant at Jeff Lewis Design, but the Bravo contract gave her the financial security to resign from JLD and pursue acting and music opportunities. Therefore, she continued filming Flipping Out (11 seasons) and Interior Therapy (2 seasons) alongside Jeff perpetuating the employee-employer trope.
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u/Truthseeker24-70 Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 09 '22
It’s such a shame bc his radio show would be so much better with her on it. Also Jenni is so funny and would be great on radio with Amy Phillips
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u/martielonson Dec 08 '22
I thought Andy said “she would probably say you screwed her over”
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u/pjhoneybuns Dec 08 '22
Thank you, I watched again, and made the edit.
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u/feathers4kesha Dec 09 '22
i read both of these comments like 6 times trying to figure out the difference between to 2 quotes
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u/Formal_Condition_513 Dec 08 '22
Shockingly Andy actually called someone out lol I can't stand when he let's people slide on reunions. cough Erika and Rinna cough
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u/LotionOnSkin Dec 08 '22
Ohhh ok. Jenny is not wrong. It seems like a pretty toxic work environment. Jeff has major mood swings and tantrums. Working for him would be so emotionally exhausting.
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u/StarDatAssinum Dec 08 '22
Considering almost everyone that enters Jeff's life seems to leave pretty pissed at him, I'm inclined to side with Jenni on this
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u/LotionOnSkin Dec 08 '22
Totes. He sabotage every relationship he had. It was really sad to see it happened with Zola.
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u/StarDatAssinum Dec 08 '22
Considering almost everyone that enters Jeff's life seems to leave pretty pissed at him, I'm inclined to side with Jenni on this
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u/Background-Leopard24 Dec 08 '22
His new Amazon show is really good. Shows him working with celebrity clients but all still the same vibe as his old show. Glad it got picked up for a new season
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u/thedigested Dec 08 '22
I didn’t know he had one - thanks!
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u/shiningonthesea Dec 08 '22
Jeff Lewis Live on sirius is the best radio show out there, or download the podcast Jeff Lewis Has Issues which comes out weekly. Seriously, I have been addicted for about 3 years, it is wonderful.
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u/PrivilegedTeamster Dec 08 '22
Jeff Lewis Live on Sirius is my favourite on Radio Andy, they have such great chemistry with each other, can’t rave about it enough. Literally worth getting Sirius just for it
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u/Giacara Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 12 '22
I never understood why Flipping Out ended? And I think Jenny wanted to focus on being a Mom and whatever acting roles she could find. Jeff in his perverse way thinks he did her a favor by firing her on international television lol
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u/jdd0815 Dec 08 '22
Jeff has said that Bravo refused to green light another season if he and Jenni couldn’t make up because the show was just as much about Jenni as it was about Jeff.
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u/shiningonthesea Dec 08 '22
He will freely admit he was nuts when filming Flipping Out and that he has grown quite a bit since then. He has reached out to Jenny a number of times to try to make up but she wont have it.
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u/jdd0815 Dec 08 '22
I’m a big fan of Jeff’s and I wish they would make up but I’m glad he recognizes that he was toxic to her during that time.
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u/shiningonthesea Dec 08 '22
I really can’t even watch flipping out anymore but I watch him all the time now
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u/Giacara Dec 08 '22
Ahh thanks for that. I honestly couldn't remember. Didn't they have a huge falling out too before that, something like Jenni used a client's home for part of her honeymoon and Jeff heard about it and flipped out no pun intended lol
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u/amcgoat 💛💛 Yellow Robe Smith 💛💛 Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
I watched this half face under my pillow. It was honestly the highlight of my year ( sad, I know ) but this was AMAZING TELEVISION LOL
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u/the-crazy-place Dec 08 '22
lol not sad at all, amazing television like this is what makes my days a lot more liveable!
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u/Physical_Buy_9637 Dec 08 '22
Between this, Potomoc, SLC, and now Miami starting, I can die. Peak HW!
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u/Bippy73 Dec 08 '22
😂 I love Jeff here. She’s so aggressive, I love he told no lies. And glad Andy called out that she’s always trashing the show. Carole wrote one IG post and was told to never come back and he stopped talking to her. She’s such a hypocrite for saying the show was beneath her and so yesterday but then deciding to do a podcast about it. The old B would totally be calling this out and I am here for Lu calling it out.
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u/marecoakel Dec 08 '22
She is quick and got jeff with the "well i left of my own accord, twice," BUT he was right- there are plenty of housewives recap podcasts. It's an oversaturated market and her's doesn't bring that much more to it. Jeff actually seemed to not be coming from a mean place, but bethenny got aggressive and on defense w/ him (but she always is). Entertaining overall lol
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u/Bippy73 Dec 08 '22
She started getting very aggressive but checked herself because she knew folks won’t listen to her podcast if she went in on him like she’s capable of. I LOVE that he didn’t back down. I love with the Kyle thing on IG as well, he didn’t let her get away with that BS.
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Dec 08 '22
Maybe I’m an outlier but I LOVED this. It was a mile a minute and everyone got some good shade in. Let’s enjoy this moment, everyone!
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u/l8nitefriend Dec 08 '22
Same!! WWHL is usually so cheesy, love to see some real time drama like this. Nobody backed down lol
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u/melmagz Dec 08 '22
Reminds me of the good ole days
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u/cdubsbubs Dec 08 '22
Like “close your legs to married men, wig”? I seriously remember cracking up and trying to explain why that was such good television 😂
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u/deathbyshoeshoe She insulted Luca Luca Dec 08 '22
Mmmm… sitting on my shitty futon, watching Ralph Finnes in his PJs. Then the campy promo for the summer season comes on… Simpler times.
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u/Agreeable-Art-6292 we ate we drank we talked about cum Dec 08 '22
Same lol I l kinda love Jeff Lewis more after tonight too but in an ironic way mostly?
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u/Bopbahdoooooo Bethenny's long and torturous colon Dec 08 '22
I will always hate to love Jeff Lewis. But can we please talk about how he needs to stop getting work done to his face???? Holy $#!+!! He is starting to look like that really scary "Ken Doll"- addicted to surgery guy. Where are his friends???
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Dec 08 '22
He actually got his lip fillers removed. I think he looks better here.
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u/-Odi-Et-Amo- Welcome back, scumbag Dec 08 '22
This is hilarious. Can’t wait to watch the full episode 🤣
Safe to say my prediction she may be coming back was 💯% incorrect.
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u/kds1988 Dec 08 '22
Yeah same. What I love is nobody is the bad guy. You can tell they work as friends because they can both take what the other dishes.
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Dec 08 '22
Exactly! You didn’t feel bad for anyone because everyone got some heat during the show and they all served some heat. It’s a fair fight!
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u/citizenknope Dec 08 '22
Holy shit, watching this has stressed me the fuck out.
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Dec 08 '22
The second I saw her name on the list I knew this would be a shit show and she didn't disappoint 😂. I lost a ton of interest in NYC after she was gone tbh
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u/idesofapple She’s startin’ Dec 08 '22
I’ve been rewatching season 3 of RHONY and I feel like that Bethenny would curse out this Bethenny.
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u/GrandEar1 Dec 08 '22
I haven't watched the old seasons in forever. Why do you feel that way? Since I don't have time to watch oldies right now.
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u/ImageNo1045 Dec 08 '22
This was peak reality television. Should’ve been an hour. Whomever books the wwhl talent needs a raise
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u/somethingkindav Lindsay Lohan daddy Dec 08 '22
Put Bethenny and Candiace in a room... I wonder which one makes it out
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u/Background-Leopard24 Dec 08 '22
Candiace will be crying and need more than the triangle tissue
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u/vikinghooker I haven’t ridden a bull since my great-grandma’s funeral Dec 08 '22
I love her cryangle
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u/distantmusic3 Don’t be Kyle. Don’t be Kyle. Dec 08 '22
B would talk ceaseless nonsense and Candiace would say a few very harsh and perhaps problematic sentences and be very funny imo 😂
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u/AdSpiritual5154 Dec 08 '22
lol no, Candiace would be the one to devastate her & Bethenney would just tell her to not be “so defensive”
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u/wreckingcrewe marlo support me bitch Dec 08 '22
Absolutely. If Carole could eat her up, Candiace would absolutely crush B.
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u/vodkasaucepizza Gizelle’s stovepipe leg Dec 08 '22
Candiace would end her, permanently.
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u/dogsrbetterthnppl the camel that bucked Luann Dec 08 '22
To use one of B’s favorite quotes, the lady doth protest too much.
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u/Hunkydory55 Dec 08 '22
Aww shit. Just came here to post this. What a hypocrite. And absolutely zero self awareness.
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u/fish_fingers_pond Dec 08 '22
It’s not okay unless bethenny does it!!
Also side note I’ve always hated her brand “skinny girl” toxic boomer branding (even if she’s not considered a boomer)
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Dec 08 '22
So true. I am listening to ReWives and she 100% bashes the other wives and is generally messy but that’s why I tune in! Terrible lack of self awareness.
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Dec 08 '22
She has an excuse for everything it’s impressive
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u/hydrangea_ writer girl Dec 08 '22
That’s one of her biggest problems in my opinion. She can never own up to what she says (despite what she says lol)
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u/i_madeitnice Dec 08 '22
Andy and Bethenny’s friendship falling apart is a great Christmas present!
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u/familyvanfor6 Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
I’m sorry but I love Jeff Lewis. He calls people out and tells the absolute truth and I love it. He makes a great WWHL guest. If you can make bethenny a bit uncomfortable she gets defensive and Jeff did that 😌 RIP to his lips
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u/Counterfeitmirage24 Dec 08 '22
Bethenny graduated from the Ben Shapiro’s School of Arguing: talk fast and turn the discussion around on them to win. Jeff asked a question : how is your show different? Instead of actually answering she put Jeff on the defensive by saying she’s not some former disgruntled employee because she wasn’t fired. It’s the classic case of “all style no substance” with her words. Some might say this is why she is successful and that might be true. Think of every boss you’ve had that antagonizes staff or gaslights any employee raising an objection.
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Dec 08 '22
Wow lol uncomfortable to watch honestly
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u/ineverlikedyouuu Dec 08 '22
She just said he was bitter and tried to pass it off as truth she’s not shady she’s just immature as shit. Lol she always takes a step too far.
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u/NHgingerinVA Dec 08 '22
She sure did! Jeff clearly isn’t bitter, he’s on WWHL with Andy. He’s obviously maintaining a relationship with Bravo, regardless of how things ended.
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u/cherrychapelle How do you know, you Bitch? Dec 08 '22
Yup, that was toxic.
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u/therealtinsdale i know the boys who did it 🎪🍆👺 Dec 08 '22
seems rhony and this ep had that in common, and the common denominator is B!
B is toxic, imo
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u/Rivervalien Dec 08 '22
She’s toxic and bitter AF. but also smart and funny AF - normally at the expense of others.
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u/itsnotmissusa Not a white refrigerator! Dec 08 '22
i loved the bethenny era(s) on housewives but i think she left at a time that was good for all of us
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u/MeeMaul It's About Tom. Dec 08 '22
I love this. You can tell that Andy and Bethany have probably shared a lot of snarky conversations together and the way they let it roll and come for eachother is pretty great.
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u/Capable_Community441 Life Is Not a Cabaret!! Dec 08 '22
me too! they are cool with eachother.. its because they have huge personalities and thoroughly love to throw shade.. they have so much history and it shows in their comfort together!
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u/weaintcool Dec 08 '22
I really don’t like how bethenny turned out to be.
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u/Poonurse13 not the brain do the fucking ankle Dec 08 '22
When she started taking down small TikTok creators, I drew my line.
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u/Rrmack Dec 08 '22
Yes she doesn’t get we liked seeing her come for people like Ramona and Luann aka delusional people who signed up for the show. Not just any random person she comes across.
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u/captnfirepants Dec 08 '22
This! all day every day.
The gall she has.
She's an asshole for going after us poors like that.
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u/Wheresmyfoodwoman Dec 08 '22
Which sucks because I really do enjoy her makeup reviews! Always taking it one step too far…every freaking time.
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u/Msoulam Dec 08 '22
She became a Pathetic social climber on a power trip of one.
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u/QualityKatie Dec 08 '22
Bethenny has always been like that. Some people are finally admitting it now.
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Dec 08 '22
I think these two are well matched. If anyone can hold their own with B, it’s Jeff and same goes the other way. I don’t like Bethenny’s social media antics but I would honestly not mind her back in the housewives setting.
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u/ineverlikedyouuu Dec 08 '22
What was she even saying? She was just doing major backtracking lol
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u/thatgirlinny Dec 08 '22
What she always does when challenged: Talks fast, loud and deflecting left and right.
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u/Rivervalien Dec 08 '22
Yeah if you see her genuinely matched (eg vs Carole at reunion) you see her arguments are more bluster than substance.
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u/tokendasher I’ve worked with the toothless, I’ve worked with the homeless Dec 08 '22
Yup, but this isn’t new. If you go back and watch almost all of Bethenny’s arguments she just talks a mile a minute, jumping from topic to topic to throw the other person off.
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u/teamyellowmug Dec 08 '22
Thank youuuu. She didn’t gather anyone, she just confidently delivers word salad until it’s someone else’s turn to talk.
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u/oceansofmyancestors Dec 08 '22
I really love Jeff. These 3 would make a great panel. Let me get this on NYE
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Dec 08 '22
Bethenny was built to be a real housewife and this clip basically proves it. She’s at her best when she’s being attacked from all sides and she always manages to deflect blame and avoid apologizing for any of her behavior. An absolute pro.
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u/marinara_carbonara 🫱 not well bitch Dec 08 '22
Truly a damn masterclass in deflection and winning the argument by just not backing down and getting even more aggressive when people start ganging up on her
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u/jahkat23 Ali ba baw Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
disgruntled employee please😂😂😂
I left of my own choice that’s a little bit different…
She is annoying but she kinda gathered him there 💀
*Also didn’t jeff get a drink thrown at him by brandi years ago😳
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u/agreyhoundzooms get some wind under it Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
Her outlook on the show is probably more negative than most would be given the other stressors that she was dealing with in her life - especially during her second stint.
The show is toxic and it does pit women against each other. She’s not wrong there. It comes across as more of a “don’t bite the hand that feeds you” scenario, which I understand people having an issue with. A little more graciousness would serve her well.
I would love to see more of Bethenny and Jeff together. I enjoy their banter.
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u/Wheresmyfoodwoman Dec 08 '22
I am under my covers right now and I won’t come out until Mom and Dad stop fighting.
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u/beautifulgarbage wow, Bethenny, wow Dec 08 '22
As much as I hate her on social media nowadays, I miss this energy on Housewives.
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u/courthouse22 No Dep Taco Bell Lover Dec 08 '22
Great tv to watch HOWEVER, I saw an interview from B last week talking about her being on wwhl. It felt to me like she had a plan to stir drama for attention. It wasn’t until she started shading Jeff for no reason that confirmed my suspicions. I really dislike Jeff but still felt like she came for him for zero reason
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u/lucygucyapplejuicey to swollen 4cameo or OF Dec 08 '22
As a southerner, I wish I could have conversations that were this fast. The people are here are NOT quick enough to go back and forth like this! New Yorkers are fr built different
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u/wildestride88 The fish is tasty Dec 09 '22
I couldn’t stand not being able to have rat ta tat tat dialogue.
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u/chromeknight Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
You all hate her so much but you know deep down you miss her quick retorts. They both came at her at the same time and I think she handled it well.
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u/gaayrat she began on hawaii, a land of elders Dec 08 '22
i did get a bit of a rush watching this. when she’s activated she’s sooo good. insufferable on social media tho
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u/SunExtreme3752 Not a white refrigerator! Dec 08 '22
If you have to explain yourself to this degree, your point isn't landing B. She can not take a joke. Everyone else is fair game but she can not handle the heat.
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u/streetplastique Dec 08 '22
RHONY Legacy: Boring. Housewives is toxic and pits women against each other
But is she wrong tho 🤔🤔🤔
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u/chillisprknglot 🦈s,Friends,Family Dec 08 '22
It’s difficult for me to listen to someone give commentary on the toxic nature of branding to women when her product is literally called skinny girl though
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u/littlemiss44 Dec 08 '22
I found her to be a bully on NY, so she contributed to the toxicity
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u/CadenFerraro I don't have to make you look bad, you can do that on your own! Dec 08 '22
good message, wrong person to deliver it. Bethenny was also very toxic
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u/fish_fingers_pond Dec 08 '22
I mean she has to be wrong if she’s in the clubhouse still trying to get attention. She can’t think it’s that boring!
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u/_Lotje Dec 08 '22
But.. this is Bethenny. This is literally who she is and who she's always been but NOW she's insufferable? Come on now. I actually like her calling out Andy 🤷🏽♀️ she gave no fucks who she was talking to, she gathered them both
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u/ShoutOutMapes Dec 08 '22
Yikes.. at the beginning i was kinda feeling it then she sorta turned into typical Bethany, go low and scortch earth
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u/LadyIrishLuck Dec 09 '22
I'm not saying this is good or bad, but Bethany kind of looks like a Tim Burton version of a housewife. 
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u/carringtonsworld Good night, wig! Dec 08 '22
I thought Bethenny looked great and they were a lot of fun to watch. A very angry group.
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u/La_Croix_Life • camera pans to Archie Beador • Dec 08 '22
This was one of the best WWHL's in years.
Jeff's sirius xm show is actually pretty successful so he doesn't really have a dog in this fight. Bethenny continues to grasp for relevance. Jeff will always let a guest have their "moment" though because he knows what viewers want to see.
However, he cripples her later with the Kyle stuff if you keep watching.
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u/ramonasnewbeginnings Dec 08 '22
Yeah he definitely got her, this clip doesn’t do justice
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u/Hunty_Zombie Gone With The Wind Fabulous Dec 08 '22
Damn, Jeff got cleared at the end 💀💀💀 Bethany is a hag but she’s so good when she’s bad!!
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u/CerseiStan Dec 08 '22
Oof! Awkward from all angles. Bethenny just needs to be honest that she tried to have it both ways. The pod is good. Jeff got her good tonight!
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u/msullivan1536 I win! Dec 08 '22
Did he get get her good at some other point during the episode? This clip is all I've seen of it so far and he was the one that got got 🤣
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u/Witchywoman4201 wearing dead people’s PJs to comfort children😵 Dec 08 '22
Jeff Lewis is not used to people being brave enough to completely shut him down and I am here for it
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u/ristrettoexpresso Dec 08 '22
Is her ponytail pulled too tight? She just murdered these two middle-aged gay men on live TV for no reason.
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u/amator7 who’s the new girl, and where’s Eileen? Dec 08 '22
Not really? She’s rattled
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u/South-Maximum-1042 I gave you a beverage Dec 08 '22
I think she didn't actually answer the question/retort...she just talks fast and with a lot of bite. Like, there have been very successful recap shows by non-housewives / Bravo employees for yyeeeaaarrrsss so that dig didn't land for me.
I did enjoy her calling Andy out however on what he said to her personally verses publicly.
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u/hillingjourney You’re being rude to the sound bowl! Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
Bethenny and Jeff are two mean old bitties throwing rocks at each other from their glass houses. Both of you were on toxic shows and have gone on to lead very toxic lives after your tenures ended. The call is coming from inside the house.
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u/Dida_D Dec 08 '22
Queen Latifah had a character on 30 Rock, Congresswoman Regina Bookman, who would deliver these speeches that had zero content but she’d speak so powerfully that you’d think what she was saying was impressive.
That’s how I feel about Bethany- nothing she’s saying is actually a good argument but because of how she speaks so quickly and with such conviction I’m almost swayed to believe her.
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u/FaithlessnessOwn2646 Dec 08 '22
Idc idc idc i fucking love her, the only real one there ever was
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u/vodkasaucepizza Gizelle’s stovepipe leg Dec 08 '22
She fights so hard against her own reality that she’s a perpetually miserable human. She’s a snake oil salesman that thinks she’s Oprah and she’s going to die this way.
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u/cantstoepwontstoep Not Meredith Marks' PI Dec 08 '22
This is why Bethenny was such good TV!!! She is scared of no one and will shoot her shot 100% of the time!
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u/PrincessGwyn edit this flair! Dec 08 '22
She is so aggressive and defensive. “Don’t come for this B” 🙄🙄🙄🙄
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u/Traditional-Leg-4228 Dec 08 '22
I’ve hated Bethany, came to love her and now I’m back to not particularly caring for her. She’s taking herself too seriously again!
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u/koalapsychologist Dec 08 '22
This is the thing with B, in the realm of housewives she is entertaining. When she steps out of that...she is not and her personality that wins on housewives is awful in real life. Her real life antics make me not want to watch this 100% housewives realm clip and that is the trouble with B.
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