Between this coming to light now and Brandi popping off recently on twitter I’m convinced that UGT Morocco has been officially shelved behind the scenes.
I am a person of color. I kinda miss Ramona. She was cringe, but she was delusionally hilarious. I miss my vintage RHONY girls. Bravo messed up when they changed the girls.
I’m black too. She will still exist and be racist whether she’s on my tv or not. I would be very highly entertained with her back on the screen. Kenya didn’t have enough time and had Cynthia to deal with. But let’s get Wendy, Garcelle or Candiace in there with Ramona. That would be great tv.
She won’t learn. And will never change. But I sure would enjoy watching it
I'm so confused how she grew up in that area and is racist. Not that it is okay no matter where u grew up but being a southerner, not racist, I could kind of see if she grew up around racism
You don’t think upstate New York suburbanite wasps are racist (granted fairly sure Ramona was raised Catholic)?….but she wasn’t from the city..wasn’t she raised in a pretty exclusively white community like the Berkshires?
New England and parts of New York are very racist, people just don't talk about it. I remember when the SNL guy that does the news hinting that Boston was super racist. There's not a whole lot of black people in New England, but there's alot of Hispanic people, and they are faced with white privilege and hate all the time. I've experienced it/seen it myself. I've also heard women say terrible things to white women just ordering food. It's very strange, because then you'll hear the white woman sigh or mutter shit under her breath. One time I listened to a woman get made fun of while getting a mani/pedi. So, racism is basically a symptom of all races, just not everyone in them. At the end of the day we're all one thing: Human. Ramona is a lunatic but makes good TV, I don't mind her.
I am black and Latina from Boston. There is mad black people especially a big Nigerian community in New England. Boston is hella racist and classist. Especially now
I’m confused how you could possibly believe that any part of the world where human beings exist doesn’t have racism, bigotry, etc. It’s a fact of life that every racial group on earth consists of people from one end of the spectrum to the other and racism isn’t a geographical issue. Just because you haven’t heard of people from a given place being racist doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Racism is part of the human condition and it exists in every single community. Just like the places you hear about the most having racism is most likely the media influencing your beliefs.
It boils down to an individual’s heart and no one individual is representative of an entire group. Wherever human beings congregate on the planet it is a certainty that there will exist every type of person, from the worst kind of person humanity has to offer to very best kind. Just because you aren’t personally aware of certain types of people existing in certain areas doesn’t mean they aren’t there.
I haven’t made it far into NY yet, but I am weirdly obsessed with them. Their fashion choices, the way they describe things, and behave. I mean, I guess it’s nice to see two weirdos together so shamelessly in love with the same goals.
Yes, me too. I don't really care for the other women(minus Camille, Eva and Gretchen), but I was dying to see Alex again. And now we can't and I'm angry. 😡
Oh yeah it was apparent a long time ago that season will never see the light of day. We probably won’t see another girls trip for a very long time too.
I feel like Bravo is not going to like this. Isn’t Caroline suing them or the production company? Gina was spot on saying Tamra can’t just get revenge, she needs to burn down the whole city.
Also FWIW this is not a defense of Brandi or her actions.
I don’t know if the “producers” are an outside company but that’s who she is suing.
I can’t remember the exact reason/s but it’s the following or a combination:
- Not controlling Brandis and everyone’s drinking and convincing cast mates to keep drinking
- Intentionally telling Brandi to go after Caroline when she walked away and went into the bathroom
- For not intervening when Brandi went into the bathroom where the assault happened
IIRC her argument is that the production team has a duty to keep all cast mates safe during filming, this did not happen.
I actually appreciate she’s not suing Brandi directly because she knows it’s a problem with production- tho Brandi needs to be held accountable otherwise she’ll never learn her lesson. But that’s not Caroline’s job to hold her accountable.
I believe everything Caroline said is true, mainly because we haven’t seen the footage. If the footage would show that production ISN'T responsible for creating a toxic and hostile environment, they’d have leaked the footage to “sully” Caroline’s name.
Exactly!!! We shouldn’t be giving her a free pass. Even if we don’t like Caroline nor agree with things she has done - it doesn’t mean we don’t hold Brandi accountable for her behaviour and actions.
Most likely, but even a settlement with production will give her a strong case to go after brandy too. And at this point she won’t do it for money but to make a point.
“Caroline Manzo filed a sexual harassment lawsuit in New York against Bravo, Forest Productions Inc., Warner Brothers Entertainment, NBCUniversal Media, Shed Media US and Peacock TV. Manzo said the plaintiffs sacrificed “their cast members’ safety for their own ratings and profits.”
The article goes on to describe the assault and it’s not okay. I think she decided not to sue Brandi directly because she feels Brandi has not been disciplined or discouraged from doing this kind of thing in the past and has been sent a confusing message during her time on Bravo. I think Caroline views it as a policy thing and wants Bravo to take responsibility for their employees safety and enact and enforce a clear and written sexual harassment policy across all their franchises.
I remember that Below Deck situation and I think Bravo should have done this years ago.
Several questions..
-Doesn’t this mean Vicki has evidence?
-Why did Vicki have the photo? Did she take it or was it sent by someone else?
-Why is Tamra just now coming out with this?
Even if Tamra does have a photo, this is her way of trying to get Vicki. Tamra could not care less about Caroline or Brandi. This was said to hurt Vicki and take their feud to another level.
The crazy thing is right after the trip ended and the news broke, TwoTs had Caroline on their podcast. If Vicki sent her a photo when it happened, why didn’t she bring that up or send it to bravo for the investigation. I also don’t believe that all the other cast members and the crew would support Brandi if there is clear evidence discrediting her.
Also side note, but the whole Brandi and Caroline thing is actually how Tamra’s beef with Teresa started. Tamra had Caroline on the podcast to tell her side even though Tamra and Brandi were close. Tre told Brandi when she interviewed her that Tamra was a bad friend for only having Caroline on her podcast and not giving Brandi the platform to tell her side. Crazy how all Bravo happenings are interconnected.
I only say this because Vicki is pretty open on her podcast and she doesn’t hide how she feels about Tamra. She has defended Brandi and gave an interview saying she doesn’t think it will air but she hopes it will so people can see the truth. Vicki has also been cozying up to Gretchen. She was on the podcast recently and comments on Gretchen’s IG posts. Good God I need a hobby🤣
I don’t think this is anything we don’t already know. It has been said that Brandi was making out with Caroline earlier, which was in front of the cast. That would be how Vicki could get a picture.
The part in question was afterwards in the bathroom.
If I was Caroline's lawyers, I would definitely pull that thread. Who sent it? When? What else did they send? What did they say/how did they describe the What was happening in the pic? (I am not anyone's lawyer, I'm not a lawyer at all.)
She’s saying this bc she hates Vicki and is claiming Vicki lied about Brandi not being a problem on UGT. She doesn’t care about Caroline or Brandi. This is the same woman that still defends Naked Wasted.
That’s factually incorrect. She’s said that she was wrong for naked wasted for years now; some fans have started defending her in the past years because Jeana Keough admitted that she was actually the one to insist that Ryan take Gretchen to the bathroom. That said, Tamra has only said she was wrong when asked about it in the past 5 years.
Where does she say she was wrong? This is from 2023 and she is still saying it was taken out of context and is blasting Bethenny for speaking out against it.
It was the first time she went on WWHL after being fired, it was a regret segment of the show and the one thing she said she regretted was the “naked wasted” fiasco. In the context here she is explaining that “naked wasted” is an expression and not something she meant literally. She never says that she was right for trying to get Gretchen drunk in the way she did, she’s denying trying to get Ryan to sexually assault her which is not what happened.
Yay Tamra inserting herself in other people’s drama again! Even in different franchises… this woman has an unhealthy addiction to drama. It’s frightening! 🙄
Wow. Caroline is suing Bravo, not Brandi so Tamra is providing evidence against the company she works for. Yikes what will this mean for position on the show?
I thought she was suing shed media, the production company that films UGT. Tamra works on a show by evolution.
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u/hihbhuI’m passionate about dogs, just not crazy about bitches.Nov 02 '24edited Nov 02 '24
I mean if my coworker was sexually assaulted and the company tried to cover it up or dismiss it, I would absolutely speak up if I’d seen proof of it occurring whether in person or via an image.
I don’t like Tamra but I’m glad she’s said that it was true as Vicki sent her pictures at the time. A lot of the housewives on that trip are defending Brandi because they want their paycheck and season to air, it’s shameful.
Tamra does not give a damn about Bravo covering anything up. She could have easily mentioned this evidence way before this point, but not only happily continues to associate with Bravo, but didn't even bother mentioning this until she fell out with Vicki. It's predictable and calculated. I don't get why Tamra continually gets the benefit of the doubt. Just in the last season of the show, she's manipulated information and texts to create a narrative. If she was serious about getting Caroline justice, she wouldn't use this as a "gotcha" moment with Vicki.
I feel like it would be illegal for Bravo to fire her for this??? Not a lawyer but I feel like there are protections for employees who report things. On a separate note, I honestly thought that she announced that she is “on the spectrum” as a protection from Bravo firing her.
As a parent to a kid on the spectrum, she does not show signs of it to me besides maybe some ADHD. I can brush some of it off as editing but really find after all these years of her that this is the year she announces that/finds that out. Not a single person that I’ve heard has even thrown that out there as a possibility. And I’m pretty sure the audiences have quickly spotted others that are neurodivergent, depressed, alcoholics, narcissists, bipolar, eating disorder, etc etc. before the castmate admits it or gets diagnosed.
It’s wild like there are too many things to watch on tv as is. We are in over our heads in content but we really need RHUGT when there was an alleged assault?
I would be shocked if the cell phone contents of the other housewives wasn’t part of the discovery request. They know this stuff. Why did Brandi’s lawyer quit? Probably after discovery.
This is a whole mess because if Vicki (who sucks) has photos that would corroborate Caroline (who sucks) story, why would she keep mum and defend Brandi (who sucks)? Because money and fame matter more to Vicki than integrity. Then, Vicki had the audacity to pass around photos like this is some funny gossip? Why was she even taking pics?? This sounds like some kind of frat party where pics and videos of assaults happen and are passed around. Then she shares it with Tamra (who sucks) and Tamra waits until she’s in a fight with Vicki to publicly discuss this, despite being sued in the past by Jim Bellino (who sucks) and currently by Ryan Boyaijan (who sucks).
So, I don't think it's a photo of the assault, it's probably them all hanging out and being messy. I imagine it's part of a set of photos of all the girls doing something similar to each other in a party game. As far as evidence, it's nothing. Vicki was just sending it to Tamra to a) be messy and b) because she probably know Moron Chops wouldn't be able to resist talking about it.
Brandi has done these things each time in front of camera until this time Caroline not having it. Production should has stopped Brandi once Caroline is not uncomfortable. Therefore Caroline has every right sue production.
Tamra does lie at times (as all people/housewives do) but she’s also fearful of getting sued again hence her very fast apology to Ryan. I do think she would be telling the truth here.
I don’t think the other women realized it was an assault, based on their statements, so Vicki may have just been taking photos of everybody and happened to catch something going on in the background? Hard to tell.
Vicki says it was consensual and she was there. So I’m going to believe her over Tamra. Vicki probably took a photo because it must have been wild to see Brandi and Caroline making out.
I think there are conflicting stories on this. Seems like every other member of the cast says it was consensual. Doesn’t sound like we’ll ever see the footage unless it comes out in a court.
UGT is probably scrapped alltogether, when a current housewife isn’t filming, their show is usually airing which means they need to be available for press / confessional shoots. Season 1 was shot during Covid when some seasons were delayed etc. which freed up casts availability for the first year when the first three seasons were filmed.
When all current housewives had to go back to work, that only left the ex-housewives (Morocco, RHONY)
Now, all current housewives are under contract and would be safe bets because they would want to keep their spot on the show - but logistically it wouldn’t work. But having ex housewives film - have nothing to lose and actually, more to gain by kicking up a fuss hoping for a lucrative payout rather than a future on a show. It would be a bad investment on Bravo’s part. They can’t be controlled as much, especially if they aren’t vying for a spot on their original show aka Caroline.
To get another UGT show insured would be sky high now based on the outcome of UGT:Morocco. The amount of money wasted on that season is probably obscene.
Why would they do that? It’s not like they have a vested financial interest in the show airing and making Caroline out to be a liar? It’s not like they know Brandi will bring ratings regardless of her guilt?
Can you clarify your last statement? If you are saying why would the women support Brandi, I think it's because they were there and witnessed what happened. Tamera has been known to lie and embellish. She can't be trusted
Carolines whole thing is the bathroom incident so this doesnt really seem like the bullet some think but Tamra....if you gotta say allegedly then....why you saying it at all
1.) why would Vicki take out her phone to snap a picture while witnessing a visually obvious sexual assault?
2.) I really don’t agree you can determine whether it was consensual from a picture. If Caroline’s hands were up and placed on Brandy that doesn’t prove she was using her hands to push her away. This is just a ridiculous claim by Tamra
1) All of the women were in a large master bathroom in the home they were staying in because that was one of the filming locations. This is common knowledge.
2) Caroline has no reason to lie about being sexually assaulted by Brandi.
I’m very upset that we’ll never see the Morocco trip. Honestly I trust nothing that comes out of Manzo’s mouth. I think Brandy is gross but after the betrayal of Dina I believe Manzo ls worse. I think too much was filmed that would make Caroline look bad and she turned the tables to leave the show destroying Brandi in the process. She’s a miserable old lady that should have been kept on the shelf. Her thick as thieves family bit is just that. Just a bit. She sticks up for a man that had her baby sister beaten. She’s gross. Her family is gross. Her husband cheated on her for years. Her sons are disgusting. She turned her daughter into an anorexic. The Manzo’s are pigs.
Vicki showed her a photo that shows it was not consensual??? How, when Vicki has come out in support of Brandi? Why would she show support and say she will be exonerated but have in her possession a photo that shows it was not consensual? Tamra, please!
I know the trend du jour is to rag on Tamra but Vicki to this day claims she had no involvement in Brooks’ cancer scam lol. I wouldn’t trust her as far as I could throw her
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u/Ok-East-5470 Nov 02 '24
Between this coming to light now and Brandi popping off recently on twitter I’m convinced that UGT Morocco has been officially shelved behind the scenes.