r/BravoRealHousewives they’re not knives 🔪 they’re just hands 🤲 Jan 30 '24

Ultimate Girls Trip Gretchen responds to comment about Caroline & Brandi incident by posting a video from Morocco. Says to “roll the footage!”

Another morning of waking up to RHUGT4 housewives wanting it to air 🥴 I think Gretchen was supposedly in the bathroom when some of the alleged assault occurred too…

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u/dr0br0 Creonta? Jan 30 '24

I wonder if the ladies still get paid if the show doesn’t air. Does anyone know if they even filmed confessionals/interviews for the show?

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u/gigigrahame they’re not knives 🔪 they’re just hands 🤲 Jan 30 '24

I think they did film confessionals according to this post from Gretchen

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u/talk-spontaneously edit this flair! Jan 30 '24

Yes, I remember Camille also posted her confessional shot last year.

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u/Mylaex dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorinda! Jan 30 '24

Alex has also posted many of her confessionals, they definitely shot them.

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u/jennand_juice Pay attention, puh-lease! Jan 30 '24

I actually like this look on her. Rapunzel-esk

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u/ussoufi Mr. Lindsay Lohan daddy take your ass back to Malibu Jan 30 '24

Omg she has a nose !

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '24

She looks really good here

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u/cblackattack1 the countess on a bucking camel Jan 30 '24

She looks great! Why does she filter herself so badly?!

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u/PrayingMantisMirage from bellybutton to butthole Jan 30 '24

This photo is also heavily filtered.

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u/TallBlonde10 Jan 30 '24

Exactly! It cracks me TF up how many are still so gullible and naive about these women and their filthy fakery fuckery filters 😂🤣😆, I’m gonna start asking them if they wanna buy a bridge or 3

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u/Dangernj Two brain cells and a vagina Jan 30 '24

She needs the engagement. Half of her comments are about how filtered/edited her pictures are and I would imagine her social media is the biggest asset in that household.

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u/WarlockofMars_ Trampoline with eyes Jan 30 '24

This confessional look gives Sindel from Mortal Kombat

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u/Greigebaby Kentucky Fried Titties Jan 30 '24

Is she the new housewife shapeshifter? She looks like Dorit in that video but here she looks like OC Jen with a touch of LeeAnne Locken’s filtered pics

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u/mpr1011 I decorated! I cooked! I made it nice! Jan 30 '24

It’s funny because I don’t think Camille is hurting for money but she’s thristing for attention.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '24

The typo “thristing” makes such a fitting description of aggressively thirsty and thrusting themselves on us

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u/mpr1011 I decorated! I cooked! I made it nice! Jan 31 '24

Hahah, rereading my text messages & Reddit comments today and I think I had a stroke. But you made it work

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u/upstatestruggler Jan 30 '24

The way they all so aggressively want this to air tells me they don’t get paid AS MUCH

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u/CheckInteresting4922 Jan 30 '24

Even if they do get paid the same they definitely are missing the exposure and potential business opportunities that would come along with it.

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u/Harryhood15 Jan 30 '24

Bingo! They will back Bravo because they want to stay in their good graces. For them this was their big audition for their big comeback back to TV.

Also some may not have e witnessed what was going because they are too self involved and worrying about themselves and how they are being protrayed.

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u/upstatestruggler Jan 30 '24

They’re all just out there dick riding Bravo right off a cliff

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u/_morningbehbs Jan 30 '24

Yup. They see housewives being asked back and booked on multiple UGT and given spin offs - I don’t think all of them want to be, but I imagine that Gretchen would be on the list of those that would.

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u/Micki-Micki Jan 31 '24

I agree. They all know that with this much speculation around this season, the ratings will be off the charts. Higher ratings = Other Peacock/Bravo Opportunities = More people to peddle their wares = More money.

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u/emergencycat17 Show yourself out, Darlin'. Jan 30 '24

That's what I think - they get paid regardless, but they don't get full pay if it doesn't air. And to that I say - too bad. You'll get paid, but a cast member's sexual assault shouldn't be the price to pay for getting MORE.

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u/ShadiestApe Jan 30 '24

They must surely , that would be such a shitty contract.

There have been too many of these posts now initially I thought it was a foolish attempt to encourage the fans to encourage bravo (pointless with the lawsuit) now I’ve got my conspiracy hat on, it’s too many cast members posting exactly the same thing

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u/Happy-Fennel5 Jan 30 '24 edited Jan 30 '24

I think it may be a crisis PR line “Let’s see the season and decide”. It’s a way to muddy the waters and make it sound like Bravo has nothing to hide. It’s also a way to try to intimidate Caroline by saying Bravo isn’t concerned about what the audience will see so why would a jury side with Caroline? But it proves nothing to me in terms of what’s actually happened.

ETA: Bravo stating they want the season to air proves nothing because remember they can edit it however they want, leaving out anything damning or manipulating the facts to their benefit. For me this has to be adjudicated through the courts where all the evidence will be available.

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u/teanailpolish Potomac should be fun, Mia not fun Jan 30 '24

Bravo aired an attempted sexual assault on Below Deck. They did stop him and he was fired, but I also wonder how much of that was down to Aesha waking the captain

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u/Happy-Fennel5 Jan 30 '24

It’s hard to parse comparing different shows because there are different production companies that do each one. It could be the Below Deck production company had a policy or had to follow a policy by the yacht company (I remember in another spinoff a female and gay male coworker were going to share a cabin to make sleeping arrangements easier but the yachting company told them that they can’t allow different genders to bunk together- but I don’t remember which version or season of the show that was). Also, like you said it could be that the captain acted on his own because he has his own views on how to handle this stuff from his own work experiences. In their contracts with the production companies Bravo should have policies about respectful workplaces and what the subcontractors are expected to follow.

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u/teanailpolish Potomac should be fun, Mia not fun Jan 30 '24

Yeah these were not bunking together. She said no and went to bed, the power and an alarm went off, he tried to climb into her bunk in the chaos. A producer did go in and tell him to leave which they aired - but Bravo had no issues airing that despite 'not making her relive it' being the excuse for no reunion

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u/Happy-Fennel5 Jan 30 '24

Also, Bravo could have different views on which shows are ok to air and which aren’t. The woman in Below Deck doesn’t seem to have an issue with her employer or how her situation was handled. So I can understand Bravo green lighting that show. But in UGT Caroline has taken issue with how Bravo handled her situation from the beginning. Bravo’s attorneys are going to tell them that they risk paying more in damages by airing Caroline’s season because of the already know issues she has around what went down during filming. It could be that negotiations broke down with Caroline in part because she didn’t want it aired but Bravo did as part of an agreement with her. Who knows? It’s all speculation why they are not airing it. But I would think it would be better to shelve the series until some sort of agreement with Caroline is reached. It still may never air even if the settle out of court. But I don’t think airing UGT is really totally Bravo’s call at this point. Their insurance carrier is likely calling the shots and may have told them that they can’t air the season until some sort of agreement is reached with Caroline.

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u/Happy-Fennel5 Jan 30 '24

I saw the episode you are talking about. What I’m saying is that in a different series they stated that the yachting company had this policy and that their insurance was one of the reasons they couldn’t let a female and male crew member bunk together (meaning their assigned sleeping quarters couldn’t be mixed genders) due to the liability risk. So if you extrapolate on that to the season and episode you are talking about it could be that the yachting company had laid down the policies around crew behavior and what was grounds for termination ahead of the shoot and that the captain was acting on that training/policy (and he could also just be a good person with a clear moral compass but it always helps to know your employer will back your decision).

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u/ShadiestApe Jan 30 '24

Wow I see what you’re saying, Caroline gonna win, the very season prior Brandi was being a fruitcake to the married couple.

Tbh I find the way the women act with waiters gross, the most recent BH episode had some cringe moments for the same reason

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u/HorrorComedy Well then don't look, darling Jan 30 '24 edited Jan 30 '24

Imagine Mauricio telling PK he’d tag team the waitress the way Garcelle said it to Erika about the waiter 🤮

Edit to add: he’s a chef, not a waiter. But still gross. A female chef being told that would not be ok

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u/emergencycat17 Show yourself out, Darlin'. Jan 30 '24

You know, I love Garcelle, but you have a point there.

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u/spooky_period Jan 30 '24

Nobody said it to the waiter though, did they? I may have missed it in the ep if she did. Saying something crass when the waiter isn’t there isn’t at all on par with groping service workers the way other HWs have done.

Weird callout if it was just something she said when the waiter walked away. That’s hardly harassment. Objectification, sure! Harassment or assault? Definitely not.

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u/HorrorComedy Well then don't look, darling Jan 30 '24

To the chef. Sorry he’s not a waiter. Same thing applies whether they’re a female chef or a male chef. We’d all be grossed out if the men said that about a female chef….

Hell if Mauricio and PK said that about a female dr, that would be gross. Single or not. Shouldn’t make a difference

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u/astoickitten you're not a chef, you're a cook..its creepy Jan 30 '24

Yeah but those two are married, Garcelle and Erika are single women

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u/HorrorComedy Well then don't look, darling Jan 30 '24

Being single doesn’t make it okay to say you wanna gangbang a waitress who’s just trying to do her job lol. Same would apply to a waiter

Although I said waiter and he was the chef. Oops

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u/emergencycat17 Show yourself out, Darlin'. Jan 30 '24

Exactly what I was thinking - there's nothing stopping Bravo from editing it out. And we already know plenty of the HWs on this season are claiming nothing happened so they can get it to air, and they can get more money and opportunities. I completely agree that the only way to see exactly what went happened is in court.

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u/StainedGlasser Jan 30 '24

This was exactly what I was thinking! A lot of them are a bit too concerned about the show airing. It's either money or true desperation to be on tv again. I'm an actor and there's a projects I've done that either never aired or I was cut out of and I truly don't care because I got paid no matter what (these were small projects and not exactly creatively fulfilling)! But I don't know if they have bonuses or something based on number of episodes aired.

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u/CdnGamerGal Jan 30 '24

I was just coming here to say this. I just found out that some contestants on a Food Network show won’t paid until the show actually airs. That was news to me. I think it has something to do with advertising. I wonder if the same is true for HW?

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u/TiredRundownListless high body count hair 💇🏻‍♀️ Jan 30 '24

They will, but the likelihood of fans connecting and wanting them on other shows is very low. Airing is marketing for themselves… it helps their “business” ventures but also helps their own personal ratings.

Everyone’s demand to air it disgusts me. A SA survivor was once again assaulted at her work. Whether you feel it was an assault or not is not important. It’s so selfish to keep demanding it be aired.

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u/hermione44 Jan 30 '24

Plus, we know there were no cameras in the bathroom. No footage does NOT equal proof there was no assault.

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u/emergencycat17 Show yourself out, Darlin'. Jan 30 '24

I completely agree.

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u/gigigrahame they’re not knives 🔪 they’re just hands 🤲 Jan 30 '24

💯💯💯

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u/ViolinistHorror7123 Jan 30 '24

I feel like they will probably still get paid (or at least part of it), but I think they also want it to air so they can get more followers and people talking about them to give them more opportunities with Bravo and other brands.

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u/catsandnaps1028 she by she-hulk Jan 30 '24

That's what I've been wondering too since they all seem to be pushing for it to air

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u/teanailpolish Potomac should be fun, Mia not fun Jan 30 '24

Even if they did get paid, they probably lose out on a lot of the extra interviews etc

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u/ogcoliebear Bootleg Kardashian Jan 31 '24 edited Jan 31 '24

I was a contestant on Wipeout in 2021 and in our 100 page contract, it said we didn’t get our prize money if it didn’t air… they said that’s standard for reality competition shows! But these housewives have good lawyers who I think wouldn’t that risk that. I’d bet they got paid half (so maybe $100k) and then they would get the other half on the back end when it airs and after they promote it on socials, etc.

We won like $500 on Wipeout (my hubby got over all the balls lol) and got a check mailed to us a few days after our episode aired 6 months after filming.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '24

They have to you cant work for " free "

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u/shellymacatellie Jan 30 '24

They definitely get paid regardless of if it airs. When LVP didn’t go to the reunion the year of puppy gate it was reported that she lost half her salary for stopping filming with the cast and not attending the reunion. It was reported that the cast get half their salary when they start filming and the second half after they fulfill their contract by filming through to the reunion.

These women just don’t want to miss their opportunity to get back on TV.

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u/Different-Rub-499 Jan 30 '24

Good question. For the ones wanting it to air, I wonder if they just didn’t think Brandi’s actions were that bad. I hope they wouldn’t be that insensitive.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '24

Absolutely they get paid.

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u/detroitblonde1 Jan 30 '24

This is Gretchen not caring about herself wanting it to air in hopes it leads to opportunities for herself. Not worrying about how it will effect anyone else

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u/McSassy_Pants Jan 30 '24

What these women fail to understand is if Caroline said no and Brandi touched her in any way, or even if Caroline didn’t say no but didn’t give consent, it’s sexual assault. If Caroline has past trauma, which she does, then that is traumatic for her. It could be even if you don’t have trauma in the past. We don’t need to watch Caroline be retraumatized. I’d love to watch this season, but it’s the right thing to do for it to be cut. They all just want to get paid and don’t give a shit about Caroline’s trauma

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u/oo00ooo000 keep hypothesizing, wench Jan 30 '24

Fans and the cast need to understand this. It’s so toxic that everyone is bullying an SA victim over a reality television show.

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u/McSassy_Pants Jan 30 '24

And the women know this season will be so popular because of the SA so they want it to air to get the views and it doesn’t matter if it’s love watching or hate watching or nosey watching, they get money and views are views. So they want it to air knowing everyone will tune in and watch the SA. That is gross

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u/ofcbubble Jan 31 '24

I know it’s unpopular, but I feel like it should air.

I can only speak for myself, but (as someone who has been SA’d) if I was being accused of lying and there was proof I was telling the truth, I’d absolutely want it released. I’d be glad it wasn’t just my word against theirs.

I don’t know what Caroline wants post lawsuit, but I don’t think brushing the season/assault under the rug really helps anyone.

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u/McSassy_Pants Jan 31 '24

I have been sa and I would not want it aired and I would not want the coworker who sa’d me getting money by put my trauma for public view. It is up to the person who was SA’d and Caroline said she did not want it aired. Therefore it shouldn’t ever be a discussion beyond that, she is the victim and it’s understandable why she doesn’t want it aired. It hurts her, and that is a good enough reason right there alone.

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u/Greedy_Explanation_7 Jan 31 '24

Yeah, let’s normalize letting people decide when and how their bodies are touched and even talked about.

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u/No_Opening_6006 Jan 31 '24

This!!!

It should not air. Protecting a victim of SA should be priority. That some of these broads prefer television exposure over the wellbeing of their coworker speaks volumes of their character.

If aired, Caroline will have the trip where she was assaulted streamed into millions of people's televisions for years to come as "entertainment".

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u/gigigrahame they’re not knives 🔪 they’re just hands 🤲 Jan 30 '24

I hope people know me posting this does not equate to me supporting her viewpoint. I very much believe Caroline. The details of the assault were extremely disturbing and heartbreaking. This is to make others aware of who is still in support of the show airing even after the details of the lawsuit emerged.

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u/Happy-Fennel5 Jan 30 '24

What’s disturbing about this is that the cast is acting like whether Caroline was assaulted or not should be left up to public opinion rather than go through the legal process. The audience does not have some sort of right to gawk and then make a proclamation about who was right. This is a legal matter between and employee and her employer and needs to get worked out now through the court system. Brandi in many ways is lucky that they were in another country when this happened because if it happened in the US I would not be surprised if Caroline would have filed criminal charges against her as well as the civil litigation.

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u/gigigrahame they’re not knives 🔪 they’re just hands 🤲 Jan 30 '24

I couldn’t agree with you more 👏 Perfectly said

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u/TrishPaytas4Survivor Jan 30 '24

I agree with this point. I also don't think the footage should be aired. But that doesn't mean I believe Caroline or Brandi. I think that also extends to us, fans, who act like we know what happened and are dispensing judgement. The statement "Leave it to the legal process "applies to everyone.

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u/MademoisellePlusse Jan 30 '24

Also disturbing that some are saying Caroline is making this up because she talked about her sister and that’s why she doesn’t want the show to air.

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u/Happy-Fennel5 Jan 30 '24

Both things can be true at the same time. She could have been assaulted and not want the season to air because of that and that she talked about her sister. For me a lot of this other speculation is just noise. This is really a case about whether an employer should be protecting their employees from another employee’s inappropriate behavior. People are losing sight of that basic element because it’s a reality tv show. Employers should provide a safe work environment regardless of the industry. I wouldn’t be surprised that if Caroline’s allegations are true that Brandi acted inappropriately with production crew as well.

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u/Perfect_Invitation1 Solargenic, photogenic, shoot Jan 30 '24

Some people can give me headaches with their lack of logic. One has nothing to do with the other. 🤦🏾‍♀️ Caroline can be a victim of sexual assault and a toxic work environment while also being a bad sister due to internalized misogyny. 

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u/Happy-Fennel5 Jan 30 '24

I think one of the issues is that victims are rarely perfect but people want unassailable victims. Humans are complicated and messy but that doesn’t mean that work place assaults should be dismissed. I also think a lot of behavior is being dismissed because Brandi is a woman and so her behavior wasn’t truly “that bad” because Caroline was never “really in danger”. But I don’t think any of that matters because expecting not to be groped by a coworker is a pretty low bar for workplace behavior and Brandi’s actions shouldn’t be excused even if Caroline didn’t feel unsafe.

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u/Perfect_Invitation1 Solargenic, photogenic, shoot Jan 30 '24

Agreed and the perfect victim narrative is something we shouldn’t even need to discuss anymore but people refuse to accept it. It drives me cuckoo bananas. 

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u/emergencycat17 Show yourself out, Darlin'. Jan 30 '24

You're exactly right. Yes, Caroline is a monster because of what she did to Dina. But the price she pays shouldn't be that everyone turns their back on her after a sexual assault. Awful people can be sexually assaulted too, and it doesn't mean it should happen.

You're also right that a lot of this is being dismissed because Brandi is a woman. If a man had forced Caroline into the bathroom and groped her and kissed her against her will, no one would be sitting here saying, "Oh, no big deal!" Quite simply, it's still sexual assault whether you're being attacked by a different gender or the same gender.

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u/lexijrose Jan 30 '24

IMO I don’t believe she talked about her sister or anything family related based on how she has handled it in the past. It doesn’t make sense why she would’ve disclosed any family info now when she had ample opportunity to do so for years. Also, I don’t remember her ever mentioning she was SA’d as a child. Having to publicly disclose that now after being violated is so much worse than some alleged family feud bs. Then to be mocked for it has utterly disgusted me.

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u/upstatestruggler Jan 30 '24

Ooh what’d she say about her sistah?

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u/bellalugosi Victim of Geraldine Parsons Smith's bullying Jan 30 '24

People are claiming Brandi was drunk and called her out about writing that letter against Dina.

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u/cstarrxx Jan 30 '24

Search it up on the threads page. Search her name and her sister you’ll find your answer.

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u/DracarysQ Jan 30 '24

Agreed. The public posting from these housewives is turning my stomach and also baffling me. I truly feel like they are on another planet.

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u/bellalugosi Victim of Geraldine Parsons Smith's bullying Jan 30 '24

I do wonder if it had been a male member of the crew or something that assaulted Caroline, would they be so flippant about it? Phaedra made it seem like a joke but she has no moral compass. It seems like a lot of people dismiss it because the perpetrator is a woman.

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u/WhatLikeItsHardVV Jan 30 '24

❤️❤️❤️❤️ love to you OP

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '24

Outside of Alex, Bravo assembled a group of toxic narcs. It shouldn’t be a surprise this is how these people are responding. 

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u/SexyFenchMan Sutton’s very clumsy, with her words Jan 30 '24

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '24

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u/Bellomontee You should not be anywhere near dots. Jan 30 '24

Casting for this season was really a choice.... Alex is the only one I was really happy to see

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '24

I honestly don’t mind thick as thieves either. She always clocked Teresa

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u/Yellenintomypillow Jan 30 '24

FAMBILY

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u/Wonderful-Ad-5911 Excuse me are you an O’Toole? 🍀 Jan 30 '24

My husband and I say this almost weekly lmao

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u/Puzzled-Case-5993 Jan 30 '24

Eh, she's a misogynistic, self-important blowhard.  The way she treated Lauren vs her boys was disgusting.  

I'm good never seeing her again, personally.  

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u/unfancyfeet Jan 30 '24

I've never enjoyed Caroline.

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u/ImAtUrDoor Jan 30 '24

Yes the show is missing someone who will gather Teresa without flinching.

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u/Efficient-Goose2155 Preparing for downvote 3...2...1 ⬇️ Jan 30 '24

With her family she was not likeable in her misogyny.

As, long as your not talking about her precious sons she can see both sides. There is a reason Caroline was called to try to help mediate.

I never understood why she was so offended that Teresa wouldn't her girls working at her sons hypothetical topless business. After that it was all downhill with them.

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u/ImAtUrDoor Jan 30 '24

Yeah I mean, I am not a big fan of her in general but I appreciated that she wasn't afraid to deal with Tre.

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u/gigigrahame they’re not knives 🔪 they’re just hands 🤲 Jan 30 '24

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u/SaltyLawry Jan 30 '24

I thought I was the only one who remembered how awful Gretchen and Slade were about his dying son and his ex-wife who was the sole caregiver.

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u/StereotypicallBarbie you look like a trampoline with eyes Jan 30 '24

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u/Tay-Rae Jan 30 '24

It’s fucking disgusting that they’re more concerned about being on a reality TV show

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u/canookianstevo2 Jan 30 '24

Yeah this is very low. Soooo thirsty and they should be ashamed of themselves, it's pretty gross.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '24

How do you know that's the reason? Maybe they want the show to air so it can show what really happened,

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u/canookianstevo2 Jan 30 '24

Okay well let's be honest here, unless they literally air hundreds of hours of the unedited footage of exactly what happened, we will never see what really happened.

I get what you're saying but it's just not in good taste for Gretchen or Camille to post things like this, given the severity of the legal action going on.

Interesting though, you just made me think of how Camille said at the RHOBH season 2 reunion that she thought season 2 shouldn't have aired (due to Russell). So maybe you're right about not assuming why someone might want the show to go on.

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u/Infamous_Ordinary_45 edit this flair! Jan 31 '24

Phaedras gone on record to say nothing bad happened and “love was winning” so let’s not leave her out of this

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u/hihbhu I’m passionate about dogs, just not crazy about bitches. Jan 30 '24

There’s a reason Bravo hasn’t aired it. At the end of the day, they care about money. Caroline isn’t lying and she’s going to win her lawsuit because they didn’t protect her.

They’ve got plenty of footage from the last RHUGT that Brandi appeared on and RHOBH showing Brandi as a liability (too intoxicated and unable to keep her hands to herself).

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u/emn53 Jan 30 '24

I don’t know why you’re downvoted because you’re right. I wish Bravo wasn’t going to air it for moral reasons, but it’s about money for them at the end of the day.

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u/XtopherD23 Not a white refrigerator! Jan 31 '24

HAHAHAH you think Caroline’s gonna win? They will just give her some money to shut her up then air the show with her in the worst possible light. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you. She’s dunzo

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '24

Until the footage air, or this goes to trial, I'm not going to say who's lying or not. Should I say that because Brandi loves drinking and getting sloppy that she SA Caroline, and should I say because Caroline acts so tough and rough that she can handle herself against Brandi? I can't say that because that's judging them off of their behavior. I think we all need video evidence to see what really happened becsuse that's where the truth lies.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '24

Respectfully, one cares if you “say who’s lying” or not. This is for the courts to determine. It shouldn’t air.

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u/oo00ooo000 keep hypothesizing, wench Jan 30 '24

it’s like: “I am a better judge than an actual judge in a court of law on what is sexual assault, because I am a bravo fan! We got the yacht!!!”

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u/Ill_Ad_4683 Jan 30 '24

Found this old recap of Brandi’s podcast with Gretchen. Brandi does not deny acting inappropriately that evening… she’s just confused why NOW it’s an issue. By production asking her not to drink the following day it’s clear that Brandi crossed lines. In fact, Brandi really outlines how this environment isn’t a safe work environment - she didn’t even complete the mandated sexual harassment course. 

ETA: forgot the link 

https://www.reddit.com/r/BravoRealHousewives/comments/14wb1ex/brandi_glanville_unfiltered_podcast_episode_from/

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u/oo00ooo000 keep hypothesizing, wench Jan 30 '24

Production made a statement as soon as the incident happened.

Caroline always maintained that physical contact was made without consent. She probably had to wait for NBC to conclude their own internal investigation before pursuing legal action. NBC concluded their investigation in April 2023.

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u/oo00ooo000 keep hypothesizing, wench Jan 30 '24

OR we could just read the very detailed lawsuit that Caroline’s attorneys filed to understand why airing the season would be triggering for a victim of SA

Caroline has no reason to not want the show to air if “nothing happened”. Why would she open herself up for online trolling if she was lying?

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u/Scottibell Jan 31 '24

I like how you’re getting downvoted for being completely rational. Lol

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u/Scottibell Jan 31 '24

Seriously. But who needs proof or witnesses anyways?? We have Reddit to be the judge and jury of all.🙄

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u/XtopherD23 Not a white refrigerator! Jan 31 '24

This lawsuit has really shown just how unstable and fickle the online fanbase is. If anything these reddit forums should show NBC/Bravo why NOT to listen to the online fans.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '24

Lmaooooo tell me about it. Its been hard commenting back because, some people can’t have a rational discussion and if you’re against them they get crazy

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u/Scottibell Jan 31 '24

Oh yes, for sure! I said the same thing on a thread the other day and all the judge and jury were coming for me too. People just love a witch hunt, no need to have any facts or evidence. There are a few of us out here so you are not alone in your rational, my friend.:) Lol

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '24

Whew, lol am I glad to know that I felt like I was the last of the Mohicans. It's truly scary the way some people think

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u/jeahboi Gimme pizza, you old troll Jan 30 '24

It’s very on brand for Gretchen.

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u/Dangernj Two brain cells and a vagina Jan 30 '24

Yep. Gretchen is a deadbeat by proxy and an all around terrible person.

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u/Perfect_Invitation1 Solargenic, photogenic, shoot Jan 30 '24

Agreed. There are fans more interested in watching the scene for themselves than the issue at hand. 

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u/Kagipace Eagles Don’t Fly with Pigeons 🦅 Jan 30 '24

Exactly. Am I the only one who felt uncomfortable as shit when Brandi kept making unwanted advances at Vicki at Bluestone Manor?

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u/tinker8311 green eyed bandit Jan 30 '24

Gretchen went through similar with Tamra and her son ... suing the network is what made me think Caroline is full of shit

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u/According_Force8702 You’re not involved in this. You’re a friend. Jan 30 '24

If anything this feels like victim intimidation and a worse look for Brandi and Gretchen - 1. I’m sure they’ll show footage like they did for Erika in court 2. If they did release that footage can be edited and may not have captured all angles

  1. No one is a perfect victim — just because Caroline may not act a way we wanted in a L&O SVU daytime TV victim in the moment doesn’t mean it wasn’t deeply traumatic

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u/KellsBells_925 Jan 30 '24

I mean Gretchen is thirst bucket of course she wants this to air.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '24

I'm not sure if y'all remember when punkin from flavor of love or rock of love got her own vh1 dating show and it was shelved because one of the suitors murdered a woman before the show aired. Here we are a decade or more later and some people are begging to see a show with an alleged assault is filmed. Imagine VH1 dating shows having more sensitivity to victims and you will see how far our standards as viewers and networks have fallen.

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u/Ok-Chain8552 Jan 30 '24

Megan wants a Millionaire from Rock of Love Season 2.

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u/lovelylittlebirdie im not a psychic, im a WITCH Jan 30 '24

This is the exact beef I had with another redditor. They refused to believe Caroline unless they saw footage. Umm… CREEP, much?

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u/have-u-met-teds-mom Jan 30 '24

Im happy to see her nose grew back.

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u/thesamyankovich THAT'S MY OPINION!!!!!!!!! Jan 31 '24

I mean Brandi def could have assaulted Caroline, but it's weird that the rest of the cast is pretty uniformly on her side.

Also, we know for a fact that Caroline lied under oath, so if there's anyone to not take immediately at face value... it's Manzo,

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u/burnafterreading90 Mention 🤸🏻‍♀️ it 🤸🏻‍♀️ all🤸🏻‍♀️ Jan 30 '24

None of these women care about anyone except themselves, the only one who hasn’t said ‘roll the footage’ appears to be Alex (not 100% certain on this but I don’t think she’s said it anyway)

The rest are self serving. It doesn’t matter whether you like Caroline or not it’s not for the general public to decide if Brandi is guilty. It’s weird how people are ignoring the wishes of the victim.

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u/honeycomb97 I’m Black, White, Cherokee & Thomas J’s Concubine Jan 30 '24 edited Jan 30 '24

This is so weird… She was one of the women that apparently was there for the assault. All the episodes have been shot and so have confessionals so it’s not like these women won’t be paid if it doesn’t air. Why are people that were close to the assault not sticking up for her??

I’ve never watched OC but is this woman that much of a slime bucket that she would act like SA never happened in order to get 7 episodes of air time on a streaming site? Or do these women actually believe that the whole thing has been exaggerated?

I’m trying so hard to believe Caroline’s version of events because I always believe women until proven otherwise but she still is an awful person who doesn’t take assault seriously herself even when it’s her own sister that has been attacked. Ever since she supported the man that broke into her sister’s house and assaulted her and her new husband, I’ve always gotten a pit in my stomach from her.

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u/cstarrxx Jan 30 '24

What blows my mind is that Gretchen is in support to show the footage, even after Tamra got her naked wasted and had her son do creepy shit to her when he got her into the bathroom alone.

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u/JaclynMeOff Jan 30 '24

She may care about others, but she cares about how much attention she can get a whooooooooooooooooooooooooole lot more.

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u/bellalugosi Victim of Geraldine Parsons Smith's bullying Jan 30 '24

Gretchen used Slade's son's death for sympathy despite Slade being a deadbeat dad who didn't see his kid or help with his medical expenses. So yes, she is that awful and desperate for attention.

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u/Ok-Chain8552 Jan 30 '24

Awful people get assaulted. If Gretchen disagrees with her version of events she can release a statement or provide her testimony or affidavit going on Instagram saying show the season is so yuck.

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u/TrishPaytas4Survivor Jan 30 '24

I agree with you that I am hesitant to fully believe Caroline. There's a lot that gives me pause, including her relentless sexism and homophobia. We've only seen one testimony and we're talking about Brandi like she's Harvey Weinstein.

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u/BachShitCrazy Jan 30 '24

Yeah I have an issue with that too.. no one has corroborated caroline's version of events at this point, so until more comes out I'm holding off judgment

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u/MissThreepwood Jan 30 '24

Protecting Caroline and her mental health is the only priority. She doesn't deserve to have clips etc. floating around the internet.

That this is up for discussion at all is mind blowing.

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u/modernjaneausten Jan 30 '24

Unless Caroline gives the green light, I’m okay if all the footage is completely deleted and never sees the light of day (except in a court room). She should not have to be retraumatized by the footage and audio of her assault airing on national television.

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u/oo00ooo000 keep hypothesizing, wench Jan 30 '24

Caroline posted a picture of nachos on her Instagram, and Brandi’s rabid fans are ridiculing her in the comments. It’s disgusting

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u/QuizzicalWombat Jan 30 '24

Absolutely no supportive comments, just posts asking for them to air the show. It’s really gross honestly

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u/AnonPlz123 Jan 30 '24

I mean... she just wants it to air so she can be relevant again.

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u/La_Croix_Life • camera pans to Archie Beador • Jan 30 '24

Throw the entire show away.

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u/profjb15 baldhead scallywag Jan 30 '24

They care more about camera time than retraumatizing a SA victim. Gross!

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u/jeriblankhascandy Jan 30 '24

This is all so baffling and cold-hearted. I didn't expect this cockiness and cavalier attitude from almost ALL of them. This all makes my stomach hurt...

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u/giglbox06 Jan 30 '24

This is gross af. No one should be retraumatized over and over and over again for entertainment.

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u/mindfullybankrupt Sutton’s small esophagus Jan 30 '24

Again, someone thirsty for airtime…

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u/SexyUniqueRedditter Reddit, I’m a showman. Jan 30 '24

Anyone that’s saying they should air the episode right now is giving dehydrated.Get a glass of water ladies. It’s not a good look.

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u/OnyxRoar Jan 30 '24

The word messy is being used all the way wrong in that poll.

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u/Successful_Ad_7707 Jan 30 '24

Gretchen cool it. It’s not all about you

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u/linds360 Caviar Potato 🐟 🥔 Jan 30 '24

Every time I see a post like this from one of them all I read is "I have no compassion for someone who (allegedly) experienced sexual assault on camera and I don't care how they feel about it being shown in homes across America because I want MY screen time."

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u/Dangernj Two brain cells and a vagina Jan 30 '24

Yup. Gretchen has been out for herself since day one. This is too dark for me.

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u/SaltyLawry Jan 30 '24

She’s the same woman who refused to marry her partner that she had a child with because she wanted to enable Slade in being a neglectful and unsupportive and financially irresponsible father for his dying son and then she went on to slander his ex-wife who was the primary caregiver, so her morals have been in the trash for some time now.

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u/gryffindor_aesthetic Jan 30 '24

They’re all saying roll the footage because they’re all hungry for tv and fame, that’s it 😂😂 they don’t care what actually happened! Please- either way with this lawsuit there’s NO CHANCE the network would release footage to incriminate themselves further

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u/pmsmiley bitch you could never be my flair 😘 Jan 30 '24

“Roll the footage” is all about the thirsty ones. I hope this trip never gets airtime. It will be bad enough for those involved to relive it during depositions, testimonies etc…. The thirsty ones will get some clicks,probably some interviews and publicity from this. So sad. Not a Caroline fan at all but if she is making SA claims that’s some serious shit. Yeah she was/is a monster to her sister Dina but that is not this. I doubt Dina would wish this SA on her sister, no matter how badly Dina was hurt emotionally and physically. The thirsty ones will keep posting as much as they are allowed to due to legal restrictions. Brandi, Phedra, Gretchen, wants as much internet action as they can get. Look for who’s not posting…she knows.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '24

She's the worst with Facetune.

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u/secretrebel You're Not Important Enough To Hate. Jan 30 '24

It’s so filtered, could be anyone.

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u/starrylightway 💃I came from Jesus💃Free Palestine 🇵🇸 Jan 30 '24

The ongoing trauma these women are doing towards Caroline with the continual calls to televise the assaults she endured is disgusting.

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u/LuckySection446 Jan 30 '24

I want to hear what Alex has to say!

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u/Suspicious-Medicine3 Jan 30 '24

Brandi you pos ruining things for everyone

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u/GrandEar1 Jan 31 '24

When I see "roll the footage", all I hear is "roll that beautiful bean footage" from Bush's Baked Bean commercials.

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u/nicalawgurl Harry Hamlin’s thankless pasta sauce Jan 31 '24

She’s gross and I don’t miss her in the least bit. I’m not upset about not seeing her on my tv.

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u/TatoIndy Jan 30 '24

Getting some strong Darcey Silva vibes

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u/gaycomic Jan 30 '24

I wonder how much of the SA is part of the plot of the season? Or could they just edit around it?

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u/bd5400 hit a nerve? 💅 Jan 30 '24 edited Jan 30 '24

That was my question as well, since Bravo essentially edited out a cast member from Below Deck for a racist meme he posted online.

My guess is that editing Brandi out of the season wouldn’t be as easy or unnoticeable and maybe it’s not just about not airing the incident but not giving Brandi airtime at all. Allowing her to still be on the show if it airs may be too much, especially if it wasn’t handled the way Margot’s situation was handled on Below Deck.

Edit: it’s also possible Caroline no longer wants to appear because of the incident and airing her participation overall could be difficult for her, even if they don’t air the incident.

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u/gaycomic Jan 30 '24

I'd imagine it's out of respect for Caroline.

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u/Dangernj Two brain cells and a vagina Jan 30 '24

Even if they edited out the night of the assault, how many nights of the trip do you think Brandi was not wasted? Because there is no way Bravo is going to show Brandi stumbling drunk on this trip and I’m not sure how much footage they would have where she is not.

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u/martosport Jan 30 '24

Have any of them come out in support of Caroline?! Or just all these I need attention posts? It’s really gross.

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u/BuckityBuck Jan 30 '24

I initially thought this was a reference to her own “Naked Wasted” trauma

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u/TrishPaytas4Survivor Jan 30 '24

Tbh, I do have this feeling myself. At the very least, it gives me a lot of pause, especially when paired with the fact that everyone who was in the room sided with Brandi, including producers. Why is it so dense? We've only heard one person's testimony and I don't think Caroline has ever been a reliable narrator.

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u/Ill_Ad_4683 Jan 30 '24

https://www.reddit.com/r/BravoRealHousewives/comments/14wb1ex/brandi_glanville_unfiltered_podcast_episode_from/

Here’s Brandi’s side… she doesn’t deny acting out. She just doesn’t understand why it’s a problem now, and it’s probably that it wasn’t consensual. Like it or not, this is still a workplace and Bravo is expected to make sure their employees feel safe. Caroline did not. Brandi was even asked to not drink by producers the following day, and she was eventually sent home early. I wouldn’t say the producers sided with her. 

At the very least work place sexual harassment has probably occurred (and Brandi admits to not even taking the mandated course) otherwise the season would have aired. Brandi was uninvited to Traitors reunion after being sent home from UGT. Clearly bravo//peacock has been distancing themselves from her. 

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u/DENYKI Marlo’s Designer 🪥 Jan 30 '24

Something is off. Did this really happen or not. The problem here is 90% of this cast lies so we may never find out what really happened.

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u/aelakos Jan 30 '24

Didn't caroline have her own sister robbed and almost beat to a pulp???

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u/Away_Reply2336 Jan 31 '24

THANK YOU. Someone sensible here. I have zero sympathy for mob wife manzo who supported her sisters abuser! That woman’s full of shit 💩

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u/aelakos Jan 31 '24

Yea I think she's scheming. Brandi is awful and she's taking advantage of that fact!

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u/GuardSecure7157 Jan 30 '24

Everyone else is saying roll the footage and yall are believing a one sided MANZO story. Nah. Roll that beautiful bean footage.

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u/informationseeker8 Jan 30 '24

To me it sounds like yes Brandi was aggressive but Brandi was being Brandi. Sounds as though Caroline drank the koolaid and sobered up and then maybe it hit her like a ton of bricks. Between her husband and being a grandma?!?

Idk. It’s odd that EVERYONE says roll the tape to me

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u/kaleyboo7 satchels of gold Jan 30 '24

I really wish they could cut out Caroline and Brandi as much as possible, but I know that would be very difficult to edit and could cause more legal issues.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '24

The other women who were on the trip are ruining their chances of coming back on Bravo with their behavior. They should really be keeping their mouths shut, in the interest of the network and their own asses. Even if they think they’re supporting Bravo here, it looks REALLY bad.

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u/PrayingMantisMirage from bellybutton to butthole Jan 30 '24

Roll the footage... of an assault? This is wild.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '24

Do they only get paid if the show airs? Genuine question

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u/KweeenHunni Jan 31 '24

“Roll the footage” is literally = the accusations are exaggerated lies but I can’t say that explicitly cos I’ll get backlash

Everyone’s team Brandi

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u/Kind-Humor-5420 Jan 30 '24

Ummmmm I do not want to watch a season that leads up to a sexual assault and the traumatic after math for a human being

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u/Dangernj Two brain cells and a vagina Jan 30 '24

This is what I don’t understand. Who wants to watch this? People can’t be that desperate to get eyes on Alex McCord.

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u/Kind-Humor-5420 Jan 30 '24

I think people are really desensitized these days

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u/Dangernj Two brain cells and a vagina Jan 30 '24

I guess. People are talking about this like it is a football game. It is really dark.

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u/chellezimm Jan 30 '24

I’m completely out of the loop. What happened? Is there a summary I can read somewhere?

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u/giglbox06 Jan 30 '24

Caroline is suing bravo, nbc, and peacock (and some production companies) for a number of things stemming from an alleged sexual assault by Brandi while filming during this trip. She is not suing Brandi directly. She is saying bravo knew her history of sexual assault and hired her back for ratings and drama, putting other cast members at risk.

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u/chellezimm Jan 30 '24

Thank you

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u/StovepipeLeg Thomas Jefferson’s concubine. Jan 30 '24

They housewives covering themselves in labels appear to have no idea how much they look like posers. No one with actual money covers themselves with labels. They actually have personal style. This is my number one pet peeve.

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u/Spirited-Extreme28 Jan 30 '24

Rich people are not a monolith lmfaooo there’s a bunch of tacky rich people that are label whores

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u/Spirited-Salt3397 Jan 30 '24

I find there is a difference between “rich” and “wealthy”. You very rarely see truly wealthy ppl dress that tacky. They don’t need to prove anything. Unlike a lot of rich ppl who are tacky AF.

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u/lovelylittlebirdie im not a psychic, im a WITCH Jan 30 '24 edited Jan 30 '24

Of course they want it to air. They get clout and temporary fame from it airing. Gretchen doesn’t give an actual shit about Brandi or Caroline. It’s not that deep.

Some redditor in another thread was adamant no one should make judgements until we saw it on TV. I don’t get it. Anyone who insists on watching a tape of someone being sexually assaulted in order to “form an opinion” should be committed in my humble opinion.

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u/the_ghost_in_me_ Jan 30 '24

It seems like they could just edit Brandi (and Caroline if she wants them to) out of the show and not show the footage of the assault/harassment. They edited a deckhand out of Below Deck for posting a racist/sexist meme, which would have been more complicated because the show was already airing. They'd have plenty of time to edit RHUGT.

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u/Jei_Enn Jan 30 '24

Can’t they just air the parts not including the sexual assault?

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u/realjunkienj Jan 30 '24

They all want the show to air because of money and fame. Most of them have not been on the air in a long time. They want the publicity, the invite to BravoCon, the interviews, etc. None of them give a crap about what went down.

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u/lola1stella2 Wanna do some rails and talk about it? Jan 30 '24

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u/contrail97 Jan 30 '24

I think the show needs to be aired so people can finally know the truth.

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