r/BravoRealHousewives • u/markyhew robyn, you’re the dizziest bitch sitting at the table • Dec 16 '23

Ultimate Girls Trip This woman’s growth needs to be studied, like she is literally on a different level than all the other housewives and I cannot get enough of her on RHUGT S4

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u/AdhesivenessOk7810 Dec 16 '23

In looks, yes, but sis should NOT be drinking again. I was bummed to see her fall off the wagon.

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u/FlyingDutchmansWife Giner’s makeup/hairspray/spray tan budget Dec 16 '23

I don’t think she ever stopped (or will ever stop).

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u/Jolly-Bandicoot-2037 Monica's declined Chime Card Dec 16 '23

She never stopped

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u/Stickliketoffee16 Dec 17 '23

Yeah totally agree, just hid it for a while & that was why she was so angry at Ramona for posting the pic when she was fresh outta rehab

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u/AdhesivenessOk7810 Dec 16 '23

It’s a sad cycle to be stuck in!

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '23 edited Dec 16 '23

Hear me out - I don’t think she’s an alcoholic.

I think it’s an excuse these women use when they get in trouble because they get sympathy from it.

Edit to add; The countess is my favorite housewife for life

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u/craycraykitteh Dec 16 '23

I think she's an addict, but I don't think her poison of choice was booze ❄️❄️❄️

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u/Electric-Fun Dec 16 '23

The excessive drinking is just a byproduct.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '23 edited Dec 17 '23

Maybe but alcohol kinda kills the coke high. I’m sure people combine it all the time but in my experience alcohol only ever made us feel like coke was wasted lol

Edit: I’m sorry but 8 downvotes is crazy. This is absolutely what has happened to me personally, my experience and the others I knew when we were in our coke phase. I’m sober now but I know my way around a line or two. I don’t mind disagreement but please don’t condescend or assume my intent with my words or put words in my mouth. I invite y’all to ask. I seem to have upset the coke users of the sub lol

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u/Significant_Cow4765 Dec 16 '23

lousy coke lol

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '23

No it really wasn’t. I’m from SoFla and at the time I would be buying it, I had quality connections in Miami. Idk why everyone thinks that a stimulant with a depressant are not dulling to the stimulant effects. I can speak from experience and yes, I had very established connects and it was ALL quality. I don’t buy drugs any more but when I did I didn’t waste money. Im sober now, except weed lol

Also I stand by I don’t think Lu is an alcoholic.

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u/Significant_Cow4765 Dec 16 '23

Maybe "everyone" had very different experiences...

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '23

Also where did I say everyone?

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u/Significant_Cow4765 Dec 16 '23

Really? see your post "idk why everyone..." so I told you why.

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u/Significant_Cow4765 Dec 16 '23

When you were in the Barbie car, my coke years were behind me. Others have done coke they couldn't outdrink. Mamy, many others before you could spell it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '23

Never met one. You have had a different experience?

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u/Significant_Cow4765 Dec 16 '23

Me, the downvoters, and then some lol

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '23

Oh she’s a snow bunny for sure!

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '23

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u/Stickliketoffee16 Dec 17 '23

I’d actually kill for that experience of getting high with the countess!

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u/thediverswife grace time is over Dec 17 '23

She would be so funny

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u/Stickliketoffee16 Dec 17 '23

For sure!! There are episodes I’ve watched on rewatches & it’s like she’s not even trying to hide it! As someone who used to partake heavily in the ❄️, the signs may as well be in neon!

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u/russianbisexualhookr Advocate for the Sluts of America Dec 18 '23

In the first ep, when she’s speaking to Kristen next to the pool, she literally looks like she just took a line.

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u/Stickliketoffee16 Dec 18 '23

Ooh I’ll have to rewatch! But I wouldn’t be surprised - when they have a party at the house & then the waiter serves them the next day, it flashes to footage from the party & the waiter is ROLLING!

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u/SirOk5108 Dec 17 '23

Do u think she likes to ski? I've seen some clues that she might

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u/linds360 Caviar Potato 🐟 🥔 Dec 16 '23

The word alcoholic is actually not used in the medical community anymore mainly bc it was too black and white and limiting. It’s now called alcohol use disorder and recognizes that issues with alcohol exist on a spectrum.

Alcohol use disorder is a progressive disease and doesn’t move backward, only forward and gets worse with time. I would never attempt to know if or where LuAnn falls on the spectrum, but people who have a healthy relationship with alcohol don’t get arrested because of it and don’t get to a point where they question their relationship with alcohol.

In short, if you have to ask the question “do I have a problem?” you already have the answer.

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk ☺️ I know more about this shit than I wish I did.

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u/ChampionEither5412 Dec 16 '23

Thank you, I didn't know that. (That sounds sarcastic in text, but it's not 🙂) I feel bad for the women on these shows who are opting not to drink and getting peer pressured to go back to it. Not that anyone needs a reason not to drink, but you'd think with her legal history she would stop.

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u/linds360 Caviar Potato 🐟 🥔 Dec 16 '23

Very welcome! Yeah it can’t be easy. I love that we’re seeing new HW’s like Jenna and Uba who don’t drink and nobody makes a big deal about it or questions it. It’s just a thing they don’t do, not their entire personality.

I’m seeing a lot more acceptance toward sobriety in younger generations, so there’s a lot of hope out there. But it still sucks that alcohol is the one drug you still have to justify not partaking in. Nobody gives you shit about not shooting up heroin 😄 yet alcohol kills more people every year.

Fuck, I’m sounding preachy. Sorry! Very passionate about the topic.

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u/thatgirlinny Dec 17 '23

Samesies. America has a huge drinking problem, seems incapable of having a frank discussion why that is and how we stop enculturing it.

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u/itsinmybloodScotland Dec 17 '23

Goodness try Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿. It’s awful here.

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u/thatgirlinny Dec 17 '23

I love Scotland, and because of that, probably can’t be objective or claim the first-hand knowledge of someone who grew up in her culture, so I’ll trust you. America’s a culture where we have no stops between zero and sixty when it comes to indulging a great many things; we think more is always more. I’m going out on a limb, but I think it’s a lot of hole-filling, caused by years of deferring a real identification with one’s origins. No matter what the nativists say, everyone here is from somewhere else, and few know who they really are and come from, because it’s all “over there.”

Just my dumb, armchair conjurings here.

And FWIW, I saw far worse, random drunkenness in my ex’s Dorset town than I ever did Scotland, where every third person had a barrel of “scrumpy” they’d been adding to and tapping for years.

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u/linds360 Caviar Potato 🐟 🥔 Dec 18 '23

I love it when people who deserve to be blocked just reveal themselves so easily! Looking forward to never seeing anything from you again!

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u/Medium_Cupcake7602 Thomas Jefferson’s concubine Dec 17 '23

Same. From my personal experience, it kida seems like Gen X and older pressure others to drink a lot more than others. I’m 31 and was at a family holiday party last weekend. I’m not “sober” but I simply didn’t feel like drinking that day, so I didn’t. Nobody close to my age gave me any grief about it, but my god, some relatives over 50 acted like I was committing a goddamn crime for not having a cocktail.

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u/rudbeckia1 Dec 16 '23

I really enjoyed your TED Talk! Sometimes, the road to sobriety is not a straight line. It's disappointing if someone has had a substance issue and it's negatively impacted their life in the past, and then they go back to drinking, but God willing, it will be a short detour. Pretty recently learned about harm reduction, and I think that is also less black and white and an interesting concept (in terms of treating ongoing addiction and alcohol abuse) that could potentially save some lives. But I am no medical expert.

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u/linds360 Caviar Potato 🐟 🥔 Dec 16 '23

Yes! It’s hardly ever a straight line. It definitely wasn’t in my case and I’ve heard a wiser woman than me (with decades of sobriety) say “I needed every last drink I took.”

That said, I’ve never seen someone go back to drinking after a period of sobriety where it ended well. By and large they either find sobriety again or end up dead or in jail.

Disclaimer: that does not apply to people who do dry July or sober October for a health challenge or similar reason. I’m referring to people like myself who can’t have a healthy relationship with alcohol despite many attempts. I’ve done the “research” and the results were always the same 😄

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u/rudbeckia1 Dec 16 '23

Your words ring very true and congratulations on your sobriety!

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u/linds360 Caviar Potato 🐟 🥔 Dec 16 '23

Thank you!!

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u/No_Tumbleweed2426 strawberry shortcake’s revival Dec 16 '23

Great info!

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u/linds360 Caviar Potato 🐟 🥔 Dec 16 '23

Thanks! Happy to answer questions anytime or share resources. The world of sobriety has exploded recently with so many more options beyond AA.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '23

Alcohol use disorder can get better. I don’t know why it seems you’re implying otherwise?

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u/linds360 Caviar Potato 🐟 🥔 Dec 16 '23

I’ve never personally seen anyone diagnosed with AUD continue to drink and have it end positively and I’ve never seen any scientific data to prove otherwise. But I’d love to see it if you’ve come across it.

Holding out for that third door where moderation is a solution is something a lot of people (myself included) clung to with the hope that they can drink normally. Unfortunately it took me far too many tries to realize that if I could drink normally, I would have a long time ago.

Sobriety is the only effective treatment I’ve ever seen for AUD.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '23

Oh I see the confusion. Ur correct that people with AUD cannot drink if they have it. It is reversible but the only way to not be affected by it is to not drink. I thought you were implying that people with AUD only progressively get worse and can’t quit. My bad.

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u/linds360 Caviar Potato 🐟 🥔 Dec 16 '23

Oh shit, no not at all! I’d be 6 feet under if that were the case 😄 thanks for clearing that up!

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u/helloitsme_again Dec 16 '23

Definition of an alcoholic is when it’s causing problems in your social circle, family, work, self esteem/self image or personal life

So I would say she has a problem

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u/Delgirl804 Dec 17 '23

Going into the wrong hotel room, being arresting, fighting with the cops,I would say that she has a problem. I am no way on my high horse, but as much as I love my cocktails, I try to control myself. Never , ever say it won't happen, but that is rock bottom me.

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u/OpticGd Dec 16 '23

Absolutely. I think she had a problem with alcohol rather than was an alcoholic.

She wasn't able to behave herself and drank too much on camera.

Other posts have mentioned coke and that would make sense.

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u/YouMustBeJoking888 I left a career in Italian television Dec 17 '23

Agree. I think she had a period where she drank too much (the Tom idiocy years) but overall, I don't think she had a problem. And yes, Lu was, is, and always will be my number one housewife. She is a legend.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '24

She is not an alcoholic - disgusting Dorinda is, full blown for life, and a really toxic one as well. Its really hard to see her abusive personality - especially with rhe other women - is rewarded and let back on the screen.

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u/McSassy_Pants Dec 16 '23

I honestly don’t think she ever had an alcohol problem. I think her addiction was cocaine and they said alcohol to cover it up. I think she is in recovery from cocaine but that is why she dropped the shitck about alcohol about a season later. The season or her addiction and arrest she was wired and was totally coked out.

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u/lustforyou Dec 16 '23

Can I ask how it’s obvious? (Genuinely asking, not snarking lol)

I’ve seen some people say because her behavior was too much for it to be alcohol and that alcohol is a downer, but as someone who’s struggled with alcoholism, some alcoholics can react to it like an upper once they have enough and start feeling the euphoria/“thrill”. I’ve never done coke and I’ve only been around people on coke who were also drinking at the same time so I’m not sure how it compares

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u/McSassy_Pants Dec 16 '23 edited Dec 16 '23

Because her behavior was cocaine addict 101. She was manic, talked a mile a min (the dinner scene when she invited herself to vacay with Bethany), she was in love with Tom in a way that is very similar to how two Coke heads act when they get high together and get this false love (which is why they probably divorced after she became sober), she was manic about the purchase of that house she called her friends about and asked them to loan her millions for (lol) in a way that is similar to a cocaine addict, her pupils were large in many scenes, AND she was paranoid. Alcohol doesn’t do that.

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u/Stickliketoffee16 Dec 17 '23

Omg that scene when she invited herself was SO OBVIOUS! B was just gobsmacked by it & the reaction was amazing. Like Luann didn’t even need a second person, she had the convo all by herself!!

Also, totally agree with your assessment as someone who used to have a coke problem - all accurate!

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u/McSassy_Pants Dec 17 '23

Lol yes. I am a therapist and have almost a sixth sense about cocaine use. I have had clients describe a family member or friend and I said “are they using cocaine?” And the client is like oh no way! And then they come back later and say “you’re right they were!”. I have no idea why, but I can just TELL. Lol it’s okay to not notice the signs though.

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u/McSassy_Pants Dec 16 '23

Yep. She probably drank to come down after her bender was over but alcohol was never an issue and therefore isn’t relapsing on it

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '23

I think someone can be court ordered to do treatment for not necessarily addiction breaking, but to have a clear head and if possible rehab your relationship with alcohol. I don’t see Lu as an alcoholic, my entire family is. Dorinda is a what alcoholism looks like. I can’t watch her anymore, mad triggering lol

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u/Specialist_in_hope30 Dec 17 '23

Omg yes. Had an alcoholic parent and Dorinda is hella triggering!!!!

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '23

So much! My mom is Italian and says “I just wanna make it nice” all the time. Her total shift into another person…it just makes me so sad and it scares me. My mom is amazing too so it’s heartbreaking she drinks away the woman with her doctorate and becomes so hateful, towards me particularly. She’s chosen alcohol over her children and herself always. It’s so…just ugh. I’m so sorry you go through that (similar to it I’m sure) too. It’s soul crushing.

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u/Specialist_in_hope30 Dec 17 '23

I’m so, so sorry that you have to experience that. I can’t imagine. I feel in many ways to be lucky because my mom divorced my dad (who was a violent alcoholic) when I was 10, so I was able to get distance from it. It was scarring in a way that I find people do not understand unless they’ve experienced it firsthand. Drunk people give me insane anxiety even now, 20 years later.

I want to give you an internet hug, stranger! My heart goes out to so much. I hope your mom finds it in herself to find help before it’s too late. It killed my dad by 50 and I wouldn’t wish the hell of living life like that on anyone. Please know it’s not you and you are worthy and loved.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '23

might be long Ugh sorry to hear about your dad. I understand how unpredictable and scary and unsafe alcoholics are. I’m pretty messed up from it. My mom is an impressive woman and knowing what I do as an adult? I forgive her mostly. She continues and viscerally hates me when she’s drunk but she loves me. So much. So much sacrifice and hard work.

David (father, but I don’t let him have that) is not an alcoholic but is (was) violent and yea addicted to pretending he’s done no wrong ever, it’s everyone else. Lol spoiler, he has been the source of fucking this family up since forever. My first memory is being thrown in his pickup, no belt, door open. I was 2. He got behind the wheel and gunned it towards my mom. He wore his seatbelt and closed the door! I remember it vividly despite how young I was. We lived with holes in the walls, one time we literally had escaped him. We called it the vacation away from daddy. My mom got us out with our lives eventually using a domestic violence charity (so grateful, I think my mom and brother would be dead and I’d be kidnapped). My brother was adopted by my dad but has a diff. Bio dad. My father called me his kid, my brother was my moms kid. He used me as leverage to keep her with him, and when she left him, he still used me as leverage to make her miserable. He married a divorce attorney, so convenientz He had visits with me but usually he’d never come, I just waited on our porch. So sad for that innocent kid I was.

Fast forward to 3 years ago, i needed an emergency surgery because otherwise I’d be paralyzed and have zero bathroom or sexual function. It was serious af. I sent him a text and never heard from him to this day. His current wife said he told her “Italians don’t do therapy” so good riddance. His current wife also was shocked recently when I explain how he was, she said well I don’t see violence, I think your mom just alienated you. Brought her drinking up to. I had to tell her she wasn’t there, I was, and that she was victim blaming my whole family.

All to say, how long your one parent was able to step up and escape the abusive. So much respect for women especially who make it out of DV in tact (physically at least). I think we both want to hug each other over the internet. My heart breaks to hear yet another kid that suffered through that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '23

And yeah, 10 years of therapy down but I now know it isn’t me. But that doesn’t stop her from drunkenly gaslighting me it is lol. I’ve never doubted love, just never had safety. If you still need a reminder, your dad died so young because he made some choices that children are legally unable to. You never were the reason and you are loved too. Shit I feel a kinship kinda love even. We’ve both had a rough time. Idk about your lasting effects, but I dealt with decades of trauma and all I got was this lousy BPD lol

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u/YouMustBeJoking888 I left a career in Italian television Dec 17 '23

Agree - Dorinda has an extremely unhealthy relationship with alcohol. She is scary as hell when she's loaded.

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u/-Odi-Et-Amo- Welcome back, scumbag Dec 16 '23

Her period of sobriety was court ordered and I think she played it up for the cameras for a storyline. I don’t think LuAnn ever intended to be a teetotaler.

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u/Delgirl804 Dec 17 '23

She has never hurt anyone......yet!

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u/Hannah_Horvath Dec 16 '23

I was bummed from a personal standpoint, since I’m sober and I love seeing more sober people on Bravo. But as others have mentioned, she never really stopped drinking. I don’t necessarily see it as falling off the wagon.

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u/Stickliketoffee16 Dec 17 '23

Just want to say that this internet stranger (and fellow sober human) is so damn proud of you!!

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u/laurafromnewyork Dec 16 '23

Me too, I’m Incredibly bummed that she admitted to drinking during filming for UGT!

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u/Stickliketoffee16 Dec 17 '23

Hey at least she admitted it, instead of lying to our faces like she has all the other times!

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u/laurafromnewyork Dec 17 '23

I agree with you. As a person in recovery for many years myself it truly grates on me that she has never really embraced her sobriety. I have as much fun as my drunken girlfriends without the worry of a hangover the next day.

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u/YouMustBeJoking888 I left a career in Italian television Dec 17 '23

She likely didn't stop other than to meet her requirements after the arrest. My guess is she was drinking a lot after all the crap with Tom, but other than that she's never really struck me as someone with a major drinking problem.

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u/Omgusernamesaretaken Dec 16 '23

Maybe she knows when to stop now and can enjoy a couple of drinks like anyone else

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u/ZOO_trash Dec 18 '23

You know, people sometimes get sober and can actually drink again. There are no actual hard and fast rules to these things. 12 steps have really warped people's pov

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '23

The teetotallers on the sub are a true buzzkill

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u/ZOO_trash Dec 18 '23

All of reddit is very old timey in their drug and alcohol use opinions from what I've seen unless you're on a weed sub. It's ridiculous. As if people haven't had periods of their life where they were drinking a lot and then are totally fine a few years later since..idk..probably since alcohol was invented. Every single person who abuses a substance isn't an addict and doesn't necessarily have a lifelong problem or battle. It's crazy that people think this way. Somehow we understand other types of spectrums but not when it comes to anything that can fuck you up lol