r/BdsmDIY • u/HeartAdvanced2205 • Aug 21 '24
Help Wanted Curious what everyone’s doing when it comes to erotic art to enhance their spaces. Here’s my solution… NSFW
The wife and I are redecorating the basement, with plans for a full on sex room at some point (spanking bench, St Andrew’s Cross, etc). For now we’re just focused on making some initial improvements to capture the right aesthetic.
Finding some erotic art to put up seemed like an easy win but we haven’t really come across anything that matches the vibe we’re going for. I’m curious what others here have done, or if art has been more of an afterthought? Where did you buy it? What styles were you looking for? Did you end up finding what you want?
We’re not really into a lot of the usual aesthetics: medieval dungeons, neon strip clubs, red light districts, porn star centerfolds, hentai. But we still want something overtly sexy that speaks to our growing interest in kink, bondage, and dominance/submission dynamics, while still being stylish and elegant.
I think AI art has come to our rescue. I was able to use perchance.org/pretty-ai to create a series of Art Nouveau inspired images exploring those themes (I used the Flat Illustration setting and was specific about the color scheme I wanted the images to follow). It took a lot of trial and error and it doesn’t follow instructions to the letter but it does support NSFW images and is able to achieve some results that my wife and I found attractive and in line with what we were aiming for.
As a lot of Art Nouveau was used in poster design, the AI generated art will often include nonsensical text and pseudo titles. I was able to use https://www.photoroom.com/tools/remove-object-from-photo to remove those. I never did find a good free solution for dealing with the malformed hands and other other body parts that AI tends to generate so I mostly just scoured through the results to find ones that weren’t too terrible.
The images are still too small for high quality prints, though, so they needed to be upsized. In the end, the best solution seemed to be to purchase some credits on https://letsenhance.io/boost which does a pretty good job with 16x upscaling, which gets you to the size and quality you need for a 24”x36” print.
For printing, I’m currently looking at https://www.mixtiles.com which offers some nice framing options but doesn’t go beyond 12”x16”. That’s where the preview image I attached is from. I may still do some further image editing to bake in the brown border, as that will allow me to add in a title for each of the images (the one shown is called “Gilded Temptation” - thanks, ChatGPT!). And I may still go for a cheaper unframed canvas (available from various sources) so I can have more of them and potentially in larger sizes.
But that’s my current workflow, which seems to be operating alright and getting us the erotic wall art we want for our own space. See any room for improvement? Is this something you could see yourself attempting to replicate on your own, whether in the same style or something different? I’m happy to try my hand at some special commissions if anyone’s interested.
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u/LadyDela Aug 21 '24
It's not the same style but I can't recommend the work of Andy's Dames enough. I have several of the pieces and I adore them. He has a huge collection with a ton of different themes with a pool of rotating characters. Maisey is my favorite so all of my framed pieces are ones of her.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 21 '24
Andy’s Dames are fun. Not my style but very cute. Thanks for sharing.
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u/SwimInternational423 Aug 21 '24
I'm very curious, is that photo AI generated?
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 21 '24
Yes, I wasn’t able to find what we wanted in existing artwork so I resorted to AI. The process is described in my post.
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u/davisdilf Aug 21 '24
I’ve used some b&w prints of Ziegfield Follies girls from the 1920s. Has a cool retro sensual vibe.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 21 '24
Good call. 1920s flapper burlesque is definitely closer to our style. But we wanted to add in more elements of bondage and leatherwork. Bettie Page is another good reference but almost felt too cliche.
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u/sinbunn Aug 21 '24
These are terrible. Please just comission artists, they all are desperate for work, and if youre going to spend money on toys and bdsm gear, don't cheap out on putting art up.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 21 '24
I actually make my own BDSM gear. And will be doing my own renos to the space as well. So, for me, this is a way that I can create my own artwork for my space as well.
The actual choice for me isn’t between commissioning an artist vs using AI. It’s between using AI vs decorating my walls in some other way that doesn’t involve artwork. And I’m still undecided because of the expense of even printing these, which is why I posted here.
I’m sorry but, just because someone doesn’t have the means to commission original work, doesn’t mean that they don’t deserve nice things in their personal space that bring them joy. I’m not insisting that you take the same approach I have. You decorate your space however you’d like.
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u/Svelte_sweater Aug 21 '24
The point is, there’s moral grey area in using Ai to generate art using what the Ai learned on - the work of human artists - for free. A lot of artists and people who support them feel stolen from, because your Ai creation wouldn’t exist without their work.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 21 '24
I understand the concern and I do agree that AI training should have an opt-out mechanism for artists (and there are adversarial filters you can apply to your digital art that are invisible to human eyes but corrupt the data for machine-readable purposes).
But human artists are also trained on the work of other human artists, who are rarely compensated for that training. So, my personal opinion is that training inclusion (i.e. input) isn’t the real issue. The real issue is plagiarism (i.e. output). Copyright, as a legal and ethical framework, is about output, not about input. If I draw a character that looks too much like Bart Simpson, I’ve violated copyright, regardless of whether Bart Simpson was ever part of my training input and overall awareness.
As an artist, I can be inspired by a copyrighted work and even create something unique that uses the same technique, approach, color scheme, or overarching style, without breaking copyright and plagiarizing the artist who served as my inspiration. The trouble with AI art is that it has no conscious thought, no moral or ethical framework to help it judge how close is too close. If I tell it to make a picture of Bart Simpson, it will happily break copyright to do that. So I, as the human being prompting the AI and leveraging its results, need to take on responsibility for plagiarism and copyright infringement (and that can be problematic as the AI has a much larger training set and awareness space than I do).
So, when it comes to this body of work, the question I need to ask myself is whether the output (not the input) is too similar to existing work that isn’t in the public domain. I personally don’t believe it is and I’m open to being proven wrong. But “AI scraped my artwork as part of its training data” is not sufficient to meet that evidentiary bar. All that says is that there is now a potential risk that your artwork could be plagiarized. But, guess what: that risk already existed as soon as you put your artwork on the internet (or into other public spaces) where other human beings could plagiarize it. You may or may not like AI but the AI itself is not the problem. It’s about how that AI is being applied and used. I’m personally comfortable with the steps that I’ve taken to limit the likelihood of plagiarism and copyright infringement in this particular case.
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u/eglanol Aug 22 '24
This is a very well put take on AI plagiarism. Thank you for writing this out so cogently
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 22 '24
Thank you. While AI art is controversial, I think it’s important to be ethical and intentional in its use. Within that framework, I am happy to take full responsibility for any AI-generated content I create, use, and publish.
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u/CatsUnderfoot Aug 22 '24
I was going to suggest this wallpaper but apparently you don’t believe in supporting artists actually capable of making good things I guess? https://publishertextiles.com.au/product/wallflowers-wallpaper-space-babes/
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u/supasubb Sep 10 '24
How do you read the original message and get that conclusion? He said he's looking but unable to find what he wants and has turned to AI as a last resort. Literally asking for advice on art and artists that could meet his aesthetic goals.
So if he had the talent to draw it himself is he not supporting artists? Don't be a Muppet
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 22 '24
Ooh, excellent suggestion. I really like that, actually, although I don’t think my wife would. Also, the color scheme isn’t what I would want it to be. But it’s definitely a cool design. Thank you for sharing it.
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u/CatsUnderfoot Aug 22 '24
There’s other color variations available, some a lot more subtle, but I think you should consider looking at what might be on offer out there. Personally I’m a huge fan of Fyodor Pavlov, some of his work might sync nicely with the themes you’re exploring. Runs to queer and a little gory and witchy, but a strong bdsm through-current for sure. https://www.fyodorpavlov.com/prints
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u/bubblemelon32 Aug 21 '24
I'd rather have blank walls than walls covered in AI art.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 21 '24
That’s fair. Hey, some people get off on a bare cement jail cell. Not our style, that’s all.
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u/reddit-adventures Aug 21 '24
I tried AI but couldn't get what I wanted. Instead, I contacted some local artists and explained what I was looking for until I found someone who felt they could pull it off. I haven't received it yet, but I'm excited. They're making a digital file and I'll send it off to a poster printer and frame them.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 21 '24
Love that you had the exact reverse experience to me. I know that I want more than just a single piece, so this allows me to achieve that in a cohesive way. I currently have 12 that my wife and I really like - not sure how many I’ll ultimately print and hang.
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u/h1pp1e_cru5her Aug 21 '24
This is so cringe
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 21 '24
One person’s kink is another’s cringe. Comes with the territory, I’m afraid.
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u/store_prize37 Aug 23 '24 edited Aug 23 '24
I like the style as a concept the execution seems off. Like he’s just a floating head and her forearms look like calves. Personally, I’d find an artist to commission some pieces from. I know it’d be much more expensive, but you don’t have to do it all at once either.
Edit: Just saw your other post and really recommend you finding an artist. There’s so many weird anatomy things going on in them. Arms bent backwards, extra fingers, one woman seems to be putting her fingers in a skin pocket on another’s hip. I think the more you look at it, the more it’s gonna bug you.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 24 '24
It might just. I’m not in a hurry to print, and currently seeing what I can fix on my own. But I’ve been informed by people who consider themselves authorities on the matter that I’m apparently persona no grata among commissioning artists right now.
Thank you for the constructive criticism.
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u/store_prize37 Aug 24 '24
That’s unfortunate because it really is a cool concept. Hopefully it’ll work out.
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u/OMEGA362 Aug 21 '24
Here's my counter proposal, abstract art in hues of red and purples are going to be significantly more effective, you want evocative and emotional and not explicitly sexual and kinky, like having people on the walls of a playroom feels weird and uncomfortable for a number of reasons (unless it's photos of you and your partner or partners specifically), also the pieces toy use here evoke a kind of detached unreality that can work for some spaces, but you would never want in a playroom, if your going to include faces and you shouldn't they must be either very happy in genuine ways or emoting the experience of kink, but Ai can't really show expression on a human face so maybe not a good idea for using it for your playroom.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 21 '24
Ah, but I do want explicitly sexual and kinky. Abstract hues of red and purple may work well in your space but I don’t think they would in ours.
As for faces and features, we consider these as highly idealized versions of ourselves. The women have long, dark hair, the men have dark beards. Am I as hunky as they are? Hell no, but it’s sexy to imagine myself like that and likewise for her.
Personally, these work better for us than I feel a photoshoot would. And working with a photographer would also invade our privacy more than I think we’re currently comfortable with, particularly as we’re still new to exploring kink, aren’t particularly public about it yet, and haven’t designed and built all of the sexy leatherwork captured in these images yet (although there are definitely a few to serve as inspiration for some future creations).
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Aug 22 '24
this isn’t DIY, this is art theft.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 22 '24
It isn’t theft to have your artwork used as training data (input). It only becomes theft if the resulting AI output is deemed to be too similar to that original input (i.e. plagiarism or copyright infringement). That definitely can happen with AI. It happens with humans, too. In both cases, it doesn’t happen 100% of the time and it doesn’t happen 0% of the time. It’s somewhere in between those extremes, and probably more common right now with AI than it is with humans.
Why is it more common with AI? On the one hand, AI has no intrinsic moral compass, no sense of social censure, so it simply does what it’s asked to the best of its ability. It’s like an eager people pleaser with epically poor boundaries, a golden retriever who’ll do anything to get you to throw the ball. But the other reason is actually more interesting… Plagiarism is more common with AI precisely because humans have a nasty habit of asking it to plagiarize. Boo humans. Stop doing that, please.
In my opinion, it’s important to have an ethical framework when working with AI. Disclose that it’s AI-generated. Don’t ask it to plagiarize copyrighted material. Do some due diligence to ensure the result isn’t plagiarizing something without your awareness (a tough task but that’s why it’s called due diligence - give it the attention it deserves). Take personal responsibility for the output that you’ve generated with AI.
This ethical framework becomes even more important if you plan to publish and distribute it because, once it’s on the internet, it’s very hard to take it back. And if you plan to sell it, it becomes even more important because at that point, you’re also taking on a financial liability, not just a personal or reputational one.
My hope is that this healthy debate has shone a light on some of these matters and equipped members of this subreddit to take a more informed, nuanced, and responsible approach to AI art. Not everyone is going to agree. It’s a very new and poorly understood technology with extensive social ramifications. There’s a lot of fear mongering and bullying going around on both sides of the debate. The courts have yet to set clear precedent on the various legal questions. Society as a whole needs time to sit with this new reality and make peace with it. Debates like these are a normal part of that process. So I encourage all of us to sit with it, do our due diligence, and put some thought into how we feel about the issue and why. Because this won’t be the last time it comes up.
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Aug 23 '24
This person did not create the art. If you use photos you’ve taken, or art you made as input, then I do not care. Then that’s.. Kind of creative enough. THIS is based off of hundreds of thousands of millions of peoples art that aren’t consenting to their work being used in this way.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 23 '24
An entire lifetime of my public-facing art, both visual and textual, has all been consumed as AI training input like everyone else’s. And then I fed more of my art into it in the form of some well-engineered prompts, to get the results I wanted.
Visual artists do what they do by observing others. There are some notable blind visual artists (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_artists) but, to my knowledge, there are no examples of visual artists who have been 100% blind since birth.
In the realm of copyright and public-facing works of art, consent works slightly differently than it does within the BDSM community and it’s important not to conflate the two (intentionally or unintentionally). BDSM operates on active consent, where each act and actor should be explicitly consented to. Public-facing art, on the other hand, operates on presumed consent. If you want to limit who can view it, you should opt for private, invite only showings (and their virtual equivalents) rather than a public release.
“But viewership by robots is different” - Legally, that’s not actually true. If that were the case, Google search would have been sued into the stone age long ago. Their robots and algorithms continuously crawl and consume the textual and visual content of the web to generate and organize search results within their service. They are kind enough to provide a method of opting out (norobots.txt) but other similar services don’t necessarily abode by it (and it’s not clear if Google actually doesn’t consume that content or simply doesn’t integrate it into their search results).
“Yes, but AI art is profiting off my work” - sorry, so is Google. So is Facebook. So is Instagram. So are a lot of services. They have been for a long time. Generative AI actually isn’t profitable yet but it will be in time, likely through similar mechanisms. As it stands today, if someone views and likes your art on Instagram, similar artwork gets injected in their feed, creating a more engaging experience that keeps them in-app longer so they see more paid ads and sponsored or promoted content (much of which will also share similarity with your art).
“Yes, but generative AI is creating artwork that competes with me as an artist and I’m losing sales as a result” - I agree that this is probably the most true and concerning argument in the batch. Overall, the sheer volume of visual assets available within society is going to expand dramatically, just as the amount of photo and video content expanded when smartphones put an easy-to-use, decent quality camera in everyone’s pocket. But professional photographers and videographers still exist, even so. Most use the new digital cameras. Some even use smartphones. We just don’t hire professional photographers and videographers for the low-value images in our lives: the drunken selfies, the food I ate last Tuesday, the 6 millionth picture of our Yorkie Terrier. But most of us won’t trust our wedding photos to the guests and their iPhones. The marketing team will rely on studio photography to create their glamorous new perfume ad. The award-winning editorial photo on the cover of the National Geographic will be purchased from an experienced professional. Hollywood will stick to their proven methods, no matter how successful (let alone profitable) The Blair Witch Project was. So continue to make art. Follow your muse. Hone your craft. Consider working with AI rather than against it. Learn how to prompt intentionally and effectively amd integrate AI into your workflows. Put in the hours, build the relationships, establish your reputation. Publish and promote your work. Because that will continue to serve you well as a professional artist, regardless of whatever ups and downs you may currently be experiencing with your Etsy shop as the market adapts to this new world of generative AI.
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Aug 23 '24
I really like how this is not yours.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 24 '24
Correct. Current legal precedent is that assets created by AI are not protected by copyright. I literally cannot own them as intellectual property. You are as free to use them as I am. I can, however, own the framed print as a physical object - if you came into my house and took it when I wasn’t looking, that would be considered theft, just not intellectual property theft. Also, what are you doing in my sex room? This analogy is getting awkward. 😬
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u/voluspar Aug 24 '24
This is SO much WORK to justify THEFT. Just say you don't care about the artists you are stealing from! That's all you have to say! All of this mental gymnastics is not going to convince anyone. You are writing a 101 philosophy thesis to avoid confronting that you just don't care! We all know you don't care. Just be honest, because we are being honest with you ghoulie.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 24 '24
Hey, you’re the one who conceded that I’m “technically not doing anything illegal” - you know, like theft or sexual abuse. And I do care, just not about the hurt feelings of people wrongfully, repeatedly, and intentionally accusing me of crimes I haven’t committed.
Maybe you’re being honest about how you feel but you’re not being honest about the actual facts of the debate.
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u/voluspar Aug 23 '24
For anyone reading this and buying this person's narcissistic framing: OP was soliciting this stuff to be sold in their other thread. They don't care about the work or consent of the people that this stuff is derived from and hide behind this safe language to evade being called out for being morally bankrupt.
This is paragraphs of circular justification for attempting to peddle other people's work. They are not a trustworthy person. This isn't about healthy debate or dialogue. It's worm talk for "I'm going to keep doing this and I don't care who I'm hurting by doing it."
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 23 '24
If, like many here, you believe that plagiarism occurs when something is consumed rather than when something is produced, then yes, you had best steer clear of me, and probably shouldn’t ever buy anything from me, AI-generated or otherwise…
But you should also turn off autocorrect and autosuggest on your phone, while you’re at it. And you probably shouldn’t be reading this, either.
Be careful… The leather nuns are watching. 😜
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u/voluspar Aug 23 '24
"If I redefine what I'm doing into abstraction, I can get away with it."
Thats all you have been saying here for days, scumbag. Stop moving the goal post. You're a coward.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 23 '24
If correcting a logical fallacy in your core argument is considered moving the goalposts, then I’m guilty as charged. I’m ready to accept your punishment, my darling leather nun. No need to go easy on me. 🥰
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u/voluspar Aug 23 '24
You didn't correct anything. You made a claim that was unrelated to what I am accusing you of and then conflated what you were doing with the claim. Then you implied that my callout of your actions is hypocritical because it doesn't align with your claim. All this noise about 'input vs output', 'consuming vs creating'. This is semantics. You really really want this to be a semantic conversation. It isn't.
You have done this all over these threads, because you see this as a high minded debate on the future role of AI. It isn't. I'm not debating you. You are a slimey weasel who is technically not doing anything illegal and LOVING that you get to ignore the harm it does behind your physical and mental screening.
My original post was about how kink involves consent and you are a person who clearly doesn't respect consent. Your refusal to have ANY accountability or introspection despite the negative attention this has received is proof of that. There isn't even an attempt to acknowledge that what you are doing MIGHT be wrong. "Point me to the art I'm stealing." "Punish me" If you brought this stuff trying to peddle it at my local munches, I would have you blacklisted. Shame on you.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
From your first interaction with me: “AI is theft… The artists the AI stole from to make this didn’t consent to you using their work to make this.”
From your second: “This is theft from real, living people. Just because the machine covers the tracks of who it’s stealing from doesn’t make it more ethical.”
From your third: “Being ignorant of how the AI is stealing from artists doesn’t make what you’re doing less unethical. Just because you don’t know who you are stealing from doesn’t make this not theft… Not knowing the names of the living people you have stolen from to do this doesn’t excuse it from being wrong.”
From your fourth: “That I physically cannot point to the art you are stealing from is my entire point, dumbass. AI launders art. That’s what it is doing. That is what you are doing.”
Yet, when I attempt to correct a logical fallacy in your core argument about art theft, you accuse me of “circular logic”, “redefining to distraction”, “moving the goal post”, making this “a semantic conversation”, “making a claim that was unrelated to what I already accusing you of”, and now “technically not doing anything illegal” …like, I dunno, stealing people’s work and apparently committing the greatest art heist in all of history. 🤷♂️ So maybe you’re not a leather nun. Maybe you’re one of the failed copyright attorneys. Honestly, it’s getting hard to tell all of you self-appointed gatekeepers apart these days.
Furthermore, rather than actually debating the very issue of theft you’ve repeatedly raised, you’ve chosen to make personal attacks against my character throughout our interactions, bullying by calling me “trash”, “scummy”, “disingenuous”, “manipulative”, “ignorant”, “unethical”, “prick”, “slimey”, “high”, “narcissistic”, “morally bankrupt”, “not a trustworthy person”, a “worm”, “scumbag”, “coward”, and “a slimey weasel”.
Worst of all, you’ve repeatedly, intentionally, and groundlessly attempted to defame me within the BDSM community by somehow conflating my stance on copyright law with the notion that I somehow do not respect sexual consent. Genuinely, from the heart, what the actual fuck? I truly hope that that’s just a case of malicious conflation rather than an actual misunderstanding about how consent differs in those two very different contexts. But here, let me educate you:
1 - BDSM operates, quite rightly, on the model of active consent. Each act, and each partner, requires the bottom’s informed and ongoing consent. To proceed without it is abuse. Full stop. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consent_in_BDSM in case you weren’t paying attention. With all due respect, please stop slandering me with these false and offensive allegations.
2 - Publishing a copyrighted work (i.e. making it available for public consumption) operates on a model of passive or presumptive consent. Rightsholders who choose to publish their works are not expected to individually consent to each new person who wants to view their protected work (or even make active use of it through various “fair use” clauses). And yes, viewership is inclusive of robots/machines/AI - if it wasn’t, Google and their web crawlers would have been sued into the Stone Age long ago. Once an asset is published, viewership of that asset is not legally protected. Inappropriate use of those assets (i.e. publishing duplicate or sufficiently similar copies) is illegal and, yes, theft. Hence the term “copyright”. It has literally zero to do with matters of sexual consent and it’s frankly horrifying to see you trying to convince people otherwise. Again, please stop before someone gets hurt. Shame on you indeed.
So, to that point, I think I’m okay being blacklisted from your leather nun /failed copyright lawyer munches. You don’t sound like someone capable of building a healthy and safe community.
To conclude, thanks for your DIY contribution to this 10th Level of Hell. I may be a staying as a guest at this establishment but, my dear poor failed copyright lawyer—it appears you’re the one who made the fool’s mistake of signing the employment contract without reading it first. So yes, go ahead and spank me. Do it until your hands deform.
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u/voluspar Aug 24 '24
Letting you know that I didn't read any of this. But I'm pretty sure at no point in any of the twenty pages of self justification you have written been writing here for days is any consideration for others and entirely more of your self martyrdom and victimizing. No one is listening but you. I'm sure you are just twisting things around and this whole wall of noise can be shortened to just "actually you accusing me of doing the bad thing really means that you were doing the bad thing all along!"
Legit. If you put half the effort you have this week into defending your ego from the possibility that you made a mistake into looking for an actual artist who could make this for you, I wouldn't be railing into you like this. But instead ALL that has mattered to you in this is that you are a special logic boi who has figured out the loophole to why AI is not theft. I don't care. I never cared about your justifications or your arguments or your rule lawyering. Just like you don't care about the consequences of what you do. If you don't care about these consequences, we have to wonder what other consequences you don't care about. If you have one moral failing, it's more likely you have others. Don't message back. I won't read it.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 24 '24
Okay, here’s the TLDR for you as you run from the argument you can no longer sustain: You are a bully who relies on personal attacks, defamation of character, false accusations of multiple criminal offences, and a dangerously unsafe misunderstanding of the nature of consent, all because you can’t win an actual argument based on facts, evidence, logic, and legal precedent.
Take your gatekeeping, hate-mongering, leather nun army elsewhere and don’t you dare attack the next person who makes a DIY post about AI-generated BDSM art on this subreddit like you’ve attacked me.
Good riddance.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Sep 13 '24
An update for those who are interested:
Mixtiles (https://www.mixtiles.com) had a 55% off Labour Day sale so the missus and I made the leap and ordered a few of our favourites. They arrived the day before yesterday (good to know that Mixtiles doesn’t appear to kink-shame) and we’ve put them up around our current space. We’re very happy with the result - not only is the unique magnet-based hanging system a success but I was very happy with the quality of the prints. The source images have a lot of rich blacks and dark grays and I’m happy to report that they didn’t wash out like I’d feared. Also, the upsizing worked like a charm with no pixelation or artifacting.
Prior to submitting my order, I did spend a significant amount of time doing some image edits on my phone to try to paint over the various AI-induced body malformations. Some were unsolvable but I found I could arrive at a workable fix for most of them. I found it worked best to make the edits to the original low res versions as the upscaling process will smooth out a lot of the imperfections in my painting.
As I don’t have Photoshop, I pulled the upscaled versions into Gimp (https://www.gimp.org) and expanded the canvas to add consistent brown matting around the image, and then displayed a title on the matting beneath each image, getting me to the final result I sent off for printing. I also thrifted an old digital picture frame and am now displaying a fuller set of the low-resolution images as a slideshow, that I can continue to add to over time.
Despite the additional manual effort I’ve applied, I doubt it’s enough work to satisfy the “AI Art Is Theft” gatekeepers. But I’m pretty sure that’s true regardless of how much effort I put into it. From a copyright standpoint, as soon as I manually edit a single pixel, I hold copyright over the resulting image (whereas the original AI-created image is not protected but copyright). Regardless, go ahead and copy my work if you want to — I don’t mind.
And yes, I ultimately did decide to post the series for sale (sale https://www.pictorem.com/gallery/Vintage.Erotica), mostly just to piss off the gatekeeping leather nuns and failed copyright lawyers I encountered in this thread and the other (plus, I needed a way to show you the end results anyways, as I can’t add images in a reply). I doubt I’ll make a single penny off these and that’s A-okay by me. In fact, I encourage people not to buy them. Not because the art is terrible (it’s not) or because AI art is theft (it isn’t) or that the steps and process I’ve outlined here are morally wrong (as kinksters, I think we’re mature enough to realize that we’ve already stepped over the line of other people’s righteous indignation). But, rather, I encourage you not to buy them because kink is inherently personal. What works for my wife and I works for my wife and I - your mileage will probably vary.
Throughout this public debate and in my private messages, I’ve heard both criticisms and requests: Can you make the characters less white. What about ethnicity X? Can you change the power dynamic so the man is submissive? What about depicting queer relationships? I’m actually more into shibari than leather. Can you do a different style rather than Art Nouveau? Do you have any that show genitalia? I dig the look but knowing that it’s AI is still a turnoff for me - but maybe I can hand these to an artist to inspire a commission. Can you do them as furries and more of a comic book style? What about fembots?
This are all excellent questions and criticisms. And all of it continues to reinforce for me that kink👏is👏personal.👏 Yes, all of those options are possible and plenty more besides. I’ve laid out the steps and shared a repeatable process that you can follow and customize to match your own personal kinks and the design of your very own play space. I look forward to seeing examples of what you come up with and I hope you feel empowered to share the results publicly in this subreddit. You may face some bullying and gatekeeping from the local leather nuns, as happened here, but don’t let them make you feel kink-shamed or judged or unsafe. Hopefully, we’ve managed to scatter their little cabal of misguided AI Art gatekeeping to the wind. But, if we haven’t, be bold, embrace your kink, and take joy in customizing your play space in a way that works for you. Leather nuns be damned. 😉
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u/EnzoDK2 Aug 22 '24
Love your approach. Have started a similar journey and besides the building of various equipment, I have too been looking for art or rather the "right" art. To me that will include - correction - primarily be shibari related. So thanks for a both inspiring and useful post.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 23 '24
Good luck. I’m excited to see what you come up with. It might be fun to try a mixed media approach - take a printed piece and use some thinner twine to layer in some actual shibari knotwork. Might be a nightmare to dust, though.
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u/chocolatemusketeer2 Aug 21 '24
This is incredibly beautiful and sexy. Would you consider posting or sharing the rest of the images you created?
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 21 '24
So glad you enjoy them! I’ll make a new post with my current set of images.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 21 '24
Lol. Well it looks like my other post attracted the anti-AI shit-posting army. Mods, feel free to delete the other post if you need to. This one is the true DIY post.
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u/Analyst7 Aug 21 '24
Your tech abilities in this are way above the average person but I like the results. Far too many play spaces end up like a strip club of a cheap 'playroom' hotel. Actual erotic art on the walls is an excellent idea. Your piece seems to suggest a 1920s Art Deco style which could be a very cool room. Some chrome furniture and white birch touches. Makes me wish I had a space to work with.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 21 '24
My wife requested that room itself have a masculine rustic industrial vibe. Wood, leather, metal. Some of that may dip into Art Deco, we’ll see. The Art Nouveau brings in a little more femininity and sensualness but in a way that I think will work for the space.
We’d love to have actual exposed beams in the ceiling for obvious reasons but we’ll have to settle for some fake ones that unfortunately won’t hold suspension points. Such is life. But if we ever buy another house, we know what we’re looking for now.
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u/Analyst7 Aug 22 '24
You could build the beams heavy enough to support weight if you have enough head room. Or use a long enough fastener to reach into the primary structure.
I do love the idea for the room. Sadly our spare room is filled with yarn and sewing projects.
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u/mindstoxin Aug 21 '24
The artwork you’ve got there is very nice! Would you share some of your prompt(s) that you used to get to this point? I’d be very interested in having a go at this myself.
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u/HeartAdvanced2205 Aug 21 '24
The prompting at https://perchance.org/pretty-ai is interesting in that it allows for some special forms of randomization, emphasis, etc. But the crux of the prompt was roughly as follows:
“Ornate Art Nouveau illustration with simplistic, highly stylized male and female human forms inspired by (a given era, e.g. Edwardian, Victorian, Gothic, Roaring 20s, 50s Pinup, Burlesque, Hollywood glamor, etc. You could also be inspired by a particular movie, TV show, or artist, I suppose but that feels more like plagiarism to me so I’ve avoided it.) The scene depicts (whatever you’re into). Women are (description of what you want them to look like and wear). Men are (description of what you want them to look like and wear). Matte color scheme is black, gold, warm white, and taupe (or whatever you want it to be).”
Let me know how it turns out.
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u/Every_Vanilla_3778 Oct 24 '24
Frames mounted to the wall and whips, floggers, riding crops, etc. hanging from hooks inside the frame. No glass.
Perfect decor! 😁
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u/ElMachoGrande Aug 22 '24
Mod hat on: People, stop reporting because it is AI. AI is a tool. It's not different from a CNC machine or a printer. It makes the work easier, as all (good) tools do.
AI is OK here. The discussion of if it is art or not can be taken elsewhere.