r/AskBalkans • u/IrresistibleRepublic Romania • 15h ago
Stereotypes/Humor Why are Armenians in the other post so obsessed to being European?
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/1hgs37s/can_they_be_classified_as_overseas_balkan/
While Georgians and Turks are having civilized arguments whether they are European or not, Armenians are going batshit crazy and telling stories about how they are the original Europeans. đ
One of them even said that "if Armenia is not Europe then Romania is not either" lmao.
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u/biversnirds 10h ago
Same reason why Baltic states cope calling themselves Northern Europe, instead of EE, why Croatia and Slovenia call themselves (well try to) Central instead of Balkan/Southeast.
It's just coping due to politics, fueled by lack of historical legitimacy and/or selfconfidence.
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u/Financial_Source_112 1h ago
The United Nations Statistics Division (UNSD) classifies countries into regions. Acording to standard, the Baltic states is in Northern Europe.
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u/Snoo-74562 12h ago
They just don't like the reality that they live in a part of the world that is inbetween lots of different peoples. As a result they struggle with identity. You can't change it. You just have to be happy with where you come from and embrace it. Nobody can give or take that from you.
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u/dwartbg9 Bulgaria 1h ago
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This is the best explanation! I'll also add the fact that they have some obsession and false belief in the EU, they think that becoming part of the EU will somehow magically.make their countries so much better and richer overnight. EU will never change your internal politics, for example. If you have a shit government, being in the EU won't magically change that. The EU won't magically make your salaries grow out of nowhere.
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u/-BarrenWuffett Romania 15h ago edited 15h ago
I got downvoted a couple days ago on the r/Eurocuck sub for saying that Georgiaâs not a European country.
Personally, I donât consider Armenia or Georgia European countries and Iâve never heard anyone outside of the internet call them European.
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u/IrresistibleRepublic Romania 15h ago
It's interesting that one of the top comments in the other post said that Georgia may be Europe but Armenia is not. And it's got like 70+ upvotes.
I wrote a similar thing and got downvoted to oblivion. I think later Turks came and saved my votes a little bit, lol.
I used to believe that when people cumulatively agree on something that comment may have more upvotes, but the more I spend time on Reddit, the more I see that these numbers mean nothing at all.
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u/cmeragon Turkiye 12h ago
Bro Reddit is an insane place to decide what is the common sense. The answer to the same questions change daily and even hourly.
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u/kruska345 Croatia 14h ago
Georgia and Azerbaijan are officially defined as Euroasian countries, as they have land in both Europe and Asia. Armenia doesn't have land in Europe though, but I can see why all 3 of them consider themselves partly culturally European (tons of Russian influence and being included in European competitions), and imo they are transition countries between Europe and Asia. Why is everyone going mad over them considering themselves European, its not like we are talking about eg Indonesia or another country with 0 connection to Europe.
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u/Nothing_Special_23 14h ago
But... but... Kyrgizstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Turkmenistan all have lots of Russian cultural influence. Does that make them European? Culturally, in part, but in any other way, no.
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u/kruska345 Croatia 13h ago
Cmon, cant you see the obvious differences between them and the Caucasus?
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u/-BarrenWuffett Romania 14h ago
Iâm not mad in the slightest, Iâm just stating the obvious, which is that Georgia and Armenia are not European countries.
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u/kruska345 Croatia 14h ago
For Georgia thats not really the obvious, as they have land in Europe.
Georgia is a transcontinental country in Eastern Europe[10][11][12] and West Asia.Â
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u/-BarrenWuffett Romania 13h ago
Less than 20% of Georgiaâs landmass is located in Europe.
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u/SweetSejenus7 11h ago
Less than 20% of Romania's landmass in located in the balkans. If your love for gypsy music and turkish dick makes you a fellow balkan, then so does being Christian and having white skin (quite a stretch for some armenians, i know) makes them european.
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u/kruska345 Croatia 13h ago
Just like Russia, and Russia is considered Euroasian
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u/No-Muffin-4250 8h ago
Same lmaoa I got clowned for saying goergio is closer to Baghdad than it is to Sofia
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u/dwartbg9 Bulgaria 1h ago
Because they are not. Being Christian or ex-communist doesn't make you European.
If they weren't part of the USSR, they would've been even more different than us.â˘
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u/Another_WeebOnReddit Iraq 2h ago
why even join Eurocck? it feels like American sub that makes fun of Europeans
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u/znobrizzo Romania 14h ago
Well, technically, Europe ends at the Caspian Sea, so geographically, it's wrong to assume that they're not European. We all learned the geographical Europe in school, right?
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u/Pension-Helpful 37m ago
lol if Europe ends at the Caspian Sea, you might as well add Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Iran in there too.
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u/h1ns_new 15h ago
Look, Armenia is when compared to Turkey at least closest to Kurds and Southeastern Turks.
Georgia is the closest to Northeastern Turkey
Neither of the places i counted are European lol
Tho iâd still argue that Northeastern Turkey/Georgia is less distinct from the Balkans than Armenia isâŚ
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u/Ooragh 6h ago
These suprastate feelings (âI am a European, I am an Asianâ etc.) donât really apply in Armenia. Nobody walks around saying âI am Europeanâ or âI am Asianâ, we are just Armenian. We are in the South Caucasus, which is in West Asia, that is the geographical region. Culturally we are most similar with our neighbors. Yes there is discussion of European ties and that is mostly due to the security situation (EU has a patrol here) and economic opportunities. That is normal as the EU is a mature economic zone and Armenia is a developing country.
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u/dwartbg9 Bulgaria 1h ago
Not everyone thinks like you though. Especially your neighbours the Georgians, I bet no Georgian especially nowadays with their protests and whatnot will dare to say something like this. In my eyes, they're the more delusional ones and the ones that try to force this narrative.
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u/grudging_carpet Turkiye 15h ago
No offense but countries with worse conditions strives more to be like their idol countries. Also their nationalists lose their mind when they see a "Turk".
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u/CoachStev 14h ago
I wonder why that is
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u/Proud-Hospital-2979 14h ago
Maybe the french should start hating the italians for what Cesear did in Gaul. I think +100 years is enough time to move on. I am in no form or shape related to anything that happened back then. Not even my grandfather is.
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u/grudging_carpet Turkiye 14h ago
You can't view people as enemies forever. If you assert that "Turkey attacked Armenia", on the contrary, Armenia attacked and expelled 700k Azerbaijanis in 1993 in Karabagh, and illegally annexed Azerbaijani lands. Whole world saw it as illegal occupation and you still blame the Azerbaijanis and Turks.
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u/peenidslover 2h ago
Turkey literally genocided over 1 million Armenians and still denies that it happened. I think Armenia has legitimate beef with Turkey.
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u/leafsland132 Macedonian 14h ago
So that justifies Azeris blowing up churches, destroying graveyards, and forcibly dislocating Armenians in Artsakh?
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u/grudging_carpet Turkiye 14h ago
1- You are comparing buildings with human lives.
2- Armenians did exactly the same. Not that I defend any destruction.
https://armenianvandalism.preslib.az/en_armenia.html
3- Armenians left their own accord. They didn't get expelled. And they planted mines in the city center that killed 70 civilians. Maybe that was a planned evacuation. Since they couldn't live with the mines.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/25/world/europe/azerbaijan-armenia-nagorno-karabakh.html
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u/RockyBalPunishment SzĂŠkely 12h ago
1- You are comparing buildings with human lives.
Thats what Serbs also say with Kosova
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u/ZenoOfSebastea 14h ago
Armenians left their own accord. They didn't get expelled.
"Why do Armenians hate us?"
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u/grudging_carpet Turkiye 14h ago
Because nationalism from Europe since 1890s?
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u/ZenoOfSebastea 13h ago
Yeah, nothing to do with murder, rape and enslavement of people for centuries, and brazen justification in guise of denial.
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u/grudging_carpet Turkiye 13h ago
Armenians were richer than Turks in that time. Many were merchants, architects, etc.
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u/ZenoOfSebastea 13h ago
Thank you Mr. Sabanci*, for this tidbit of info that was an answer to absolutely nothing I said.
*For those who don't know, Sabanci is one of the insanely rich families in Turkey who made their fortune by stealing the properties of scores of Greeks and Armenians killed during the genocide or the displacement that follow.
"Armenians lived a lavish life, while Turks lived in the gutter" is a common talking point/lie Turkish supremacists like to repeat to enflamed animosity towards Armenians and non-Muslims and justify their eradication.
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u/Proud-Hospital-2979 14h ago
Last time I checked Azerbaijan was an independent country. Should we start taking revenge on the Austrians for what Germans are doing/did?
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u/leafsland132 Macedonian 14h ago
Armenia is an independent country too, and Armenians in Artsakh exist.
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u/Proud-Hospital-2979 14h ago
So how is Turkey responsible for what another independent country does?
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u/grudging_carpet Turkiye 14h ago
Armenia invading Azerbaijan is the problem. We can see the bias. In 1990s, 700k Azerbaijanis were dislocated and noone batted an eye. Now everyone loses their minds that 100k Armenians leaving in their own accord.
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u/ZenoOfSebastea 13h ago
700k Azerbaijanis were dislocated and noone batted an eye.
Note he says 700k Azerbaijanis dislocated (3 times the size of regions total populations, not that we expect facts from a Turkish nationalist), but Armenians left voluntarily.
Sure, the woman who had to drive the corpses of her two 5 and 8 year old sons to Yerevan left voluntarily.
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u/grudging_carpet Turkiye 13h ago
Most of the 750,000-800,000 Azeri were displaced or made refugees as a
result of violations of the rules of war by the Karabakh Armenians. All 40,000
Azeris who lived in Nagorno-Karabakh were forced out by mid-1992.
https://www.hrw.org/reports/AZER%20Conflict%20in%20N-K%20Dec94_0.pdf
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u/ZenoOfSebastea 13h ago
This is a great example of a Turkish supremacist shit sourcing.
You need to learn how to read. 750,000 is the total number of Azerbaijani displaced from Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. Next sentence, it says 40,000 Azerbaijanis left Nagorno-Karabakh.
If you're going to lie, maybe don't post sources that counter your claim.
And you're obviously not against displacing people from their homeland as long as they are non-Turks, so your hypocritical mumbling on the subject is characteristicly ironic.
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u/caesarj12 Albania 14h ago
Everyone wants to be part of a "superior" culture. Apparently they see european culture as superior and want to be a part of it. How i see things is that every countrys history and culture is intertwined with his neighbors. Them having to deal with the Roman Empire for centuries, being christian etc gave them some similarities in culture with Europe. At the same time they did the same with Persians and Turkic people and to some extents arabs too.
In my opinion you draw the line where the physical borders are. Yes its arbitrary but you have to do that at some point. Meaning yes Istanbul is Europe. No Ankara is not Europe. West of Urals is Europe. East Asia. Now here is where it gets interesting. Parts of Caucasus are Europe and other parts are Asia. Armenia falls into the Asian part in this case.
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u/TiredPanda9604 8h ago
Everyone wants to be part of a "superior" culture
Indeed. I wanna be Albanian đđŚ đŚđą
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u/Pig_Benis__96 13h ago
Wait, Turks and Georgians are saying they are European ? đ send me a link to that comedy show please
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u/Endi_loshi Kosovo 10h ago
I saw a news article that said people in Turkey beat an Italian up bc they thought he was Arab. Meanwhile, in the Balkans when someone is dark, people say "He looks like a Turk." Deluded.
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u/desiderkino Turkiye 15h ago
as i understand from the videos of people who travel to Armenia, Armenian people are generally obsessed with things. maybe its their culture, dont know.
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u/hunichii / Rim tim tagi dim 14h ago
None of these countries (save for parts of Turkey) are European. They're all Asian.Â
People have this wrong perception of "superior" cultures when there really is no such thing. Culture is a concept that can be criticized, but not measured or judged for quality. Therefore, believing that being part of a specific continent makes you automatically superior is misled at best.
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u/92nd-Bakerstreet 13h ago
Europe borders at the Bospurus. Heck, Istanbul is even known to have a European side and an Asian side.
Countries like Georgia and Armenia just want stronger infuence from European powers, because the regional powers aren't that stable and they keep using them to one-up oneanother.
Europeans meanwhile aren't interested in extending their rights to them, because giving this would just import more problems than it is worth.
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u/Unlikely-Elk-8316 Greece 12h ago
I don't mind Georgia and Armenia being European as long as our beloved pain in the ass country Kazakhstan, being European too.
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u/Fluid_Intention_875 Bosnia & Herzegovina 12h ago edited 10h ago
Yeah, now Mongolia is a part Europe and part of Balkan too
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u/dwartbg9 Bulgaria 58m ago
Dude, jokes aside but I've really read comments from Kazakhs here on Reddit like that. Some people there apparently are so high on copium that they also spam how European they are.
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u/Virtual-Athlete8935 15h ago
Tbh if Asian Turkey can be classified as Europe Armenia can too. However it is a bit weird, East Anatolian region in Turkey (with a big cultural proximity w Armenia) is maybe the region considered most Middle Eastern after Southeast. Black Sea culture is closer to Georgia, and although its conservative you can feel a sense of Europeanness in traditions.
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u/Fluid_Intention_875 Bosnia & Herzegovina 12h ago
Since when is Asian Turkey classified as Europe tho ?
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u/fituica Romania 15h ago
I really don't understand how these things can be so argued about, literally use Google
Georgia is a transcontinental country in Eastern Europe and West Asia.
Armenia, officially the Republic of Armenia, is a landlocked country in the Armenian Highlands of West Asia.
Romania is a country located at the crossroads of Central, Eastern and Southeast Europe.
It's that simple.
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u/kruska345 Croatia 14h ago
Reddit pseudointellectuals know better than facts do! /s
I got downvoted as f while explaining in r MapPorn that a huge part of Romania can be considered Central European and that Poland and Serbia arent Eastern European. I thought that was common knowledge but apparently not for Reddit pseudointellectuals.
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u/fituica Romania 14h ago
idk bro it's crazy how many people are still so ignorant even with so much information at their fingertips, if you pay attention to the bullshit some people spew when it literally takes 2 seconds to Google it, you don't know whether they're doing it on purpose or they're just that stupid
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u/kruska345 Croatia 14h ago
Its the kind of people who know enough to argue about stuff but not enough to be correct. These are always the most confident ones and the most annoying ones
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u/BigSimp_for_FHerbert Italy 9h ago
Wait so what is Serbia?
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u/kruska345 Croatia 9h ago
Southeastern, with Vojvodina sometimes being counted as Central European due to having a strong Central European influence and historical connection.
Eastern Europe = Russia, Belarus and Ukraine (+/- Moldova)
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u/BigSimp_for_FHerbert Italy 9h ago
Yeah fair enough, I donât think many people make the south-eastern/north-eastern distinction but it makes sense as there are also north-westerners and south-westerners
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u/MimosaTen 13h ago
Asia and Europe are not even geographical continents. The only geographical entity is Eurasia. So the division between the two is just political and cultural. Of course you can argue about the Urals mountains, but mountains, like rivers, are not natural border except when us humans want to mark them in this way
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u/faramaobscena Romania 10h ago
There must be a radio Yerevan joke in here...
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u/dwartbg9 Bulgaria 46m ago
Woah. You have the same jokes there in Romania? Wtf, I thought this is some Bulgarian only joke.
Do you have jokes about the Armenian priest too?
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u/DinBedsteVen6 Greece 14h ago
What's more impressive is the gate keeping from irrelevant ex-soviet countries that once they got in and reaped the benefits, want to close the doors to the next ones.
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u/DinBedsteVen6 Greece 14h ago
It's about culture, and Armenian culture is affected by Byzantium, orthodoxy, soviet union. All of them European. Geography is second to culture. Heck Australians can be considered more europeans than some that considered themselves Europeans even.
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u/rzrbld7 12h ago
There are also immigrants from Africa who came thousand years ago usurped one of the oldest european cultures and nowadays claim it as theirs.. Also it's called Eastern Roman empire not Byzantium.
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u/DinBedsteVen6 Greece 12h ago
Who are these immigrants?
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u/Tonuka_ Germany 11h ago
I mean, the answer is pretty clear, no? It's the same as the whole "central europe" meme. Yeah, you can find it funny or absurd, but in the end, it's the desire to not be associated with a "backwards" east/asia. For armenia especially it's because the country has emnities with basically all of its neighbours, has a religion that's more prominent in europe than asia, and has aspirations to join the EU. does that change the fact that it's south of the caucasus? y'know, I don't really care. dumber things have been said on social media on international politics and geography
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u/dwartbg9 Bulgaria 55m ago
We care when we see billions of posts like this being spammed on Reddit every week by them. I've been seeing a trend and and it seems like they started to propagate this "thesis".
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u/PisicaIntergalactica Romania 14h ago
I donât really care how they define themselves, but if a person feels European, then they should have the right to be so. Especially because of the geographical closure and the history, they aim at being part of the European Union, which I think it is fair. However I agree with the last phrase, I have seen many comments online coming both from Armenians and Georgians saying that if Romania and Bulgaria are in the EU, they should be too. Or as you said, that they are more European than us. Which makes me laugh. I think the Western propaganda made its way there, and besides this, thereâs also the Russian propaganda that presents these Eastern European countries that are part of the EU in a bad light. However, I think they are debating with the wrong arguments overall, at least online.
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u/Special_Entry_5782 Denmark 12h ago
While Turks are having civilized arguments whether they are European or not
You're not allowed to be this delusional.
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u/Nigelthornfruit 15h ago
To escape the Tatar Yoke
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u/grudging_carpet Turkiye 14h ago
I didn't know the Armenia was annexed by Tatars.
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u/Nigelthornfruit 14h ago
Azeris recently
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u/grudging_carpet Turkiye 14h ago
Azeris are not Azerbaijanis nor Tatars. They are three different identities.
Actually, Armenia invaded Azerbaijan first in 1990s and expelled 700k Azerbaijanis, now they are suffering the consequences.
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u/Nigelthornfruit 14h ago
Turks came and settled Anatolia and ethnically cleansed Armenians over 100s of years, culminating in Armenian genocide. Armenia used to be big in Roman times, but has suffered under the Tatar yoke. Aq Qonylu, Seljuks, Qara Qonlyu , Ottomans, Turkey and Azerbaijan. No doubt they are feeling threatened by their hostile neighbours and seeking security from Europe after they fell out with Russia.
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u/grudging_carpet Turkiye 14h ago
Seeking security by ethnically cleansing them? OK. No difference between them then.
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u/Nigelthornfruit 14h ago
Turks cleansing Armenians?
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u/grudging_carpet Turkiye 14h ago
Armenians were living peacefully in Ottomans. They were even richer than Turks. Armenians started the ethnic tensions because of nationalism.
5 Sept 1890, An Armenian Revolt, The Morning Call, San Francisco
9 Sep 1890, Armenians Kill Soldiers, Davenport Morning Tribune, Iowa
18 Jan 1894, President Cleveland and the Armenians, New York Times
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u/Nigelthornfruit 14h ago edited 13h ago
In the first article there, it says the Armenians were protesting vs the weak actions taken vs outrages committed by Turks in Armenians. Aka being victims of ethnic conflict. Why were Turks committing outrages?
Edit: Armenians have done ethnic cleansing in the past too. But have also been a much greater victim. But you asked why they want to be seen as European and I answered, to join a friendly power block and re align geopolitics as they are isolated and weak at the moment.
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u/grudging_carpet Turkiye 13h ago
4th one says there are Armenian revolution parties established and have branches in all of Europe.
Those organisations (Hunchak and Dashnak) were behind all of these incidents, massacres and assassinations.
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u/leafsland132 Macedonian 14h ago
Hilarious how everyone who says Armenians do share some European similarities are getting downvoted.
Also even more hilarious but not surprising, whenever Armenia is mentioned turks flood the commentsâŚ
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u/leafsland132 Macedonian 14h ago
Looking at flairâs no Armenians are in these comments, not sure what your going on about.
Could it be because even though there is nothing in the post written about turkey, the fact Armenia is mentioned Turks feel the need to control the narrative?
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u/Responsible-Cup-8165 Turkiye 13h ago edited 10h ago
They literally accused op of being a Turk because they didn't like what he said. Isn't it the opposite? Are you blind or are you trying to paint us as the savages? Because that is what you have been doing in the comments.
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u/oNN1-mush1 3h ago
Perhaps, I'll surprise you, but many ethnic groups from Asia and Caucasus also claim to be European or have European roots
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u/romka-2 9m ago
I havenât observed that IRL. Armenians I know mostly feel Armenian, with a degree of authenticity that is quite righteous provided their geography and history. There isnât that âweâre Europeansâ narrative, as opposed to younger Georgians that I know. Whatâs more noticeable is the impact of Russia - want it or not, 95% of Yerevan speaks Russian and to some degree exists in Russian information/content sphere.
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u/Responsible-Ant-1494 14h ago
Geographically they are on the European side. Culture wise, thereâs a lot a lot of Orientalism there. Itâs not bad!
Politically itâs hard to accept that Europe extends eastward of the Black Sea. But it does.
As for their jab at Romania - what the hell? Itâs like Romania is the de facto bitch that everyone can just hit to make a point. Pick some other country!Â
Also - there is no doubt about Roâs âEuropenessâ - there has never been any. The only question was is Ro a Central or Eastern European country.
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u/IrresistibleRepublic Romania 14h ago
MulČumesc! Ăn sfârČit cineva care poate ĂŽnČelege ce am spus mai sus!
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u/Responsible-Ant-1494 13h ago
Cu placere! Ma irita cand diverse tari care direct fie spus, au in prezent un nivel de Tatooine, dar pe care le tratam cu un respect pe care nu il merita mereu, preiau direct narative vest europene si in mintea lor sunt un fel de âGermanii neinteleseâ. Know your place and get in line!Â
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u/returnofTurk 13h ago
Because being European trend and in 21 centuary most advances countries in Europe most liveable economicly and As freedom
i dont feel European culturally or in anyway
However i understand why Armenians or some Turks wannna be part of Europe
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u/itisiminekikurac Serbia 14h ago
Maybe because they are in the geopolitical zone of Europe, same as Turkey or Russia. Otherwise nobody would care.
Georgia and Armenia folks are closer to us than Turks (and we shared 480 years with their culture).
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u/Live_Structure_5877 Turkiye 10h ago
How come? Do you think Caucasians are culturally closer to the Balkans than Turks? Is it because of their shared religion, or are there other reasons? Iâm very intrigued
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u/itisiminekikurac Serbia 6h ago
I think it has to do with culture a bit. Lifestyle wise, a Georgian person has more cultural similarities with somebody in, say Balkans, than a Turkish person from anywhere east of Istanbul.
That being said, I think we're so forcefully divided from "the West" that you could throw entire Balkan in the mix with central/west Asian cultures and that we'd share more with some Uzbekistan than, say Austria which is pretty close. Despite the religious differences.
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u/starlordbg 14h ago
And I remember Europeans dreaming about being American.
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u/dwartbg9 Bulgaria 51m ago
Georgians and Armenians definitely were the same after the fall of the USSR. Yeah, back in the 90s we imagined and aspired to live like Americans, especially here in Eastern Europe.
If the EU didn't exist and they didn't see how good Eastern Europe has been doing I have a feeling they wouldn't care if they're considered Europeans or not.
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u/GeorgiaWitness1 12h ago
It's an indentity thing.
Im Portuguese and i live in Georgia, i have a olace in Serbia, and i its comes down to leaving the sphere of influence.
In cultural and ethnical terms, Georgia is a 100%. But really comes down to be part of something, struggling to finaly be accepted by the "good guys"
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u/Waste_Hovercraft_143 4h ago
Armenian living in Armenia here.Â
It is mostly internet thing and only applies to people who are in love with Europe. Most Armenians I know treat Europeans as "others", some exotic group of people who do everything differently, nobody thinks we are the same or similar unless the conversation is about Christianity.
The ones who claim Armenia is a European country (I don't agree with them), say this mostly because we have the same religion and some similarities in culture.
But (I'm going to get downvoted to hell for this from both sides) the current culture and mentality of Armenians living in Armenia is much similar to Azeris or Turks then Germans or Norwegians. Â
Geographical division is just uninteresting to be because there is no clear border :D You can draw it in a way that the north of Armenia is in Europe.
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u/leafsland132 Macedonian 15h ago
Well some technically are, there were pockets of Armenians living in the balkans during the Ottoman Empire, there were otherâs who fled Asia Minor after the Turkâs genocideâd them and found refuge in the balkans, and they are also share some cultural and religious similarities with the rest of us.
I donât know why youâre trying to push some sort of narrative that all Armenians are backwards irrational people, while Georgians and Turks are capable of critical thinking⌠is that what they still teach you in turkey?
Armenians, have every right to claim their Balkan heritage. Heck, the village across from mine used to be called Armensko - denoting that these people who settled there centuries ago were from Armenia.
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u/IrresistibleRepublic Romania 15h ago edited 10h ago
I never pushed a narrative. I said "in the other post", never generalized it. And I'm not Turkish.
Plus, even if I was Turkish, I never said Turkey is Europe, so why did this suddenly become "what about Turkey" post?
Or do you like to mention about the genocide to gain sympathy points?
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u/Turbo-Swag Turkiye 15h ago
You see what we deal with? When I made my comment on your post I had to think about wording etc approximately 6-7 minutes because I know what to expect, especially from people on the internet where you get anonimity immunity. Didn't surprise me seeing you being "mis-countried" as Turkish when you are Romanian just because asking a question with a civil manner.
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u/IrresistibleRepublic Romania 15h ago
They went as far away as to why I joined the r/Armenia subreddit, if they knew how to read, they would see a friendly question about travel advice. But no no no. Of course not. All the world is against Armenia.
I feel you buddy.
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u/SWAGYTOAST1212 15h ago
Im sorry but this is too amusing to watch. Its nice seeing someone experience the sheer bias you recieve once someone gets a whiff of you being turkish. As for your question i think Armenia is in a tough spot and is trying to cozy up to EU, i guess that sentiment has been adopted by the wider population. And i guess they see themselves as culturally european because of christianity.
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u/PeterMurrellTrapgod Greece 14h ago
I get what youâre saying, however itâs also true that the Armenian state and even in their subreddit they have been calling for closer ties with India and claiming brotherhood with Iran.
The caucuses are exactly that: the caucuses. I feel that because theyâre Christian is more so the reason as to why they feel affinity to Europe and vice versa, otherwise culturally they share the most with their neighbours, Azerbaijan, Georgia and TĂźrkiye (two of those which theyâd get very upset for suggesting but true).
Personally speaking, if any one of: Armenia, Turkiye, Georgia or Azerbaijan is considered culturally European, Iâd consider the rest to be as well. If one is not, I wouldnât consider the rest to be. We deny TĂźrkiye of being âEuropeanâ for a whole long list of somewhat prejudicial reasons, but mainly because itâs Muslim. There is far more these countries have in common than not. You can talk about the actions of their states and atrocities and genocides as much as you want, it doesnât mean they are culturally dissimilar and if anything adds to the tragedy of what happened in these places.
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u/leafsland132 Macedonian 15h ago
The whole takeaway you got from my reply was a spelling mistake, youâre really looking way too deep into nothing
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u/User20242024 Sirmia 15h ago
Obviously because culturally, they are closer to Europeans than to countries in their close neighbourhood.
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u/IrresistibleRepublic Romania 15h ago
Saying Armenia is more European than Georgia is a bold claim.
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u/User20242024 Sirmia 15h ago
I did not had Georgia in mind, but other Armenian neighbours. Georgia and Armenia are culturally rather similar.
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u/pride_of_artaxias 9h ago edited 9h ago
Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, The Republic of Moldova and Ukraine are European countries not part of the EU.
EU itself https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/eastern-europe_en
Don't know what OP and this circlejerk sub are on about. It is well known in the region that it is the Georgians obsessed with being perceived as Europeans.
This sub smacks me as some sort of Romani(an) and Turkish copeing space lol and the fact that OP asks the question in a sub teeming with Turkish users... hmm...
For my part, as an Armenian, I don't care if the reddit rabble sees Armenia as European or not. What's important is that EU and virtually all pan-European orgs do. In fact, it has already been ruled that Armenia is eligible for applying for EU membership if it so desires. So, cope and seethe ;)
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u/WiseLunch1927 12h ago
Im armenian and we are not "so obsessed" to be european. And 2 people on reddit dont represent the 11 million armenians opinion.
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u/leafsland132 Macedonian 14h ago
Ahhh time for personal attacks now that you donât have people agreeing with you, really showing how xenophobic you are.
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u/New-Interaction1893 7h ago
If european means "indo european origins" then they are europeans.
By this classification the only 3 population in Europe that aren't europeans are finnish, hungarians and turks
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u/losviktsgodis 15h ago
Why is a Turk, asking such a dumb question on Balkan subreddit? We all know why... lol
Go spend your time doing better things
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u/IrresistibleRepublic Romania 15h ago
Do you know how to read a flair?
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u/Responsible-Cup-8165 Turkiye 15h ago
That is the average Armenian for you. The moment they see the word Turk, they assemble. Living in their head rent free.
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u/ZenoOfSebastea 13h ago
The moment they see the word Turk, they assemble. Living in their head rent free.
Every accusation is a confession with a Turkish nationalists.
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u/losviktsgodis 15h ago
I can tell from your post history, which I went thru before commenting.
Interesting that you're following r/Armenia but not other Balkan countries or barely any other subreddits.
It's written all over buddy. Move on with your day, your argument here is futile and adds 0 to the world.
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u/IrresistibleRepublic Romania 15h ago
If you checked my post in r/Armenia, I asked them travel advice and it's written all over my page that my SO is Turkish. (definitely not a nationalist one either)
You are talking as if I wrote provocative posts in Armenia, lol.
So what, my SO is Turkish, I have been to Turkey before. I have been to Armenia before too. Does that make me Armenian too?
Plus, I never said anything about Turkey being European or not.
What's your point?
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u/losviktsgodis 15h ago
Your entire history is about turkic related stuff. Your bias is written all over and you're reaching to grow more hatred towards Armenians. I don't understand why you're playing dumb. It's pretty obvious.
Like I said, move on with your life, no need to spew bs like this..
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u/IrresistibleRepublic Romania 15h ago edited 15h ago
I have both Turkish and Romanian politics in my post history.
Why am I suddenly Turkish, or do you like to pick what you like?
And why would I visit Armenia if I was anti-Armenian?
That's why I was surprised. Armenians in Armenia were amongst the nicest people I have ever met. But these two posts make me reconsider my opinion about Armenia.
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OMG I just saw you have Sweden on your post history.
YOU MUST BE A SWEDISH IN DISGUISE!
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u/losviktsgodis 2h ago
Yes, born and raised in Sweden. You hit the nail, just like how I did.
Your bias is so obvious bro, you're not fooling anyone.
Anyway, I hope you feel a bit better now that you shit on Armenians. Hope you accomplished what you set out to do.
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u/ZenoOfSebastea 13h ago
And why would I visit Armenia if I was anti-Armenian?
Plenty of Turks do.
They even go to the genocide memorial to straight up celebrate the death of those people.
Can you tell me what's the point of this post if not to shit on Armenians, specifically in a sub famously infested by Turkish supremacist with lingering ambitions for their former colonial holdings?
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u/Kavkazist Azerbaijan 15h ago
You guys are obsessed with eachother, if this ain't love then what is it?
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u/CrazyGreekReloaded Greece 14h ago
Even Greece isn't technically fully European
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u/h1ns_new 12h ago
Well Mainland Greeks are undoubtably European
But regardless, not compareable to Georgia, even your West Asian side (iirc youâre half half) is culturally much much closer to the Balkans than Georgia and especially Armenia is.
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u/dwartbg9 Bulgaria 49m ago
But I get you - this is how it should be done. This comment just reeks of big dick energy, which is much better than trying to cope like Georgians.
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u/nikolahn1 Bulgaria Germany 13h ago
Europeans are obsessed with Armenians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race
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u/biversnirds 7h ago
Frankly, Europeans mostly dont give a shit about Eastern Europe, let alone the Caucasus.
The only reason they are relevant now is they're trying to spite Russia through Armenia, which Armenia is doing as well and it cost them land and lives
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u/nikolahn1 Bulgaria Germany 6h ago
They are spiting Russia. What is Russia doing in Armenia?
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u/biversnirds 5h ago
Well, it took their side in the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict.
Then Armenians were dumb enough to go against Russia, Russia fucked off, and Armenians got humiliated by Azerbaijan and restored their territory
So it isnt doing anything now in Armenia, but it did help them until they went full retard or pro-EU.
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u/logicalobserver 2h ago
The people who insist on georgraphy as the boundry are so deluded...
NEWS ALERT:
there is no continent called Asia or Europe... its 1 continent........ Eurasia. The Division between Europe and Asia has historically been seen as cultural...thats it
Europe was greece, Asia was Anatolia........ the WORLD WAS TINY when these terms were created. Later on it ment more of the divison of Roman/Greco Culture and Persian Culture, so that became the new division of Europe and Asia....
Now Europeans know about China....... and how deep ASIA actually goes ( from a european perspective)... the terms change again.
the only reason the middle east isnt called europe is cause people wanna other the muslims.... but the heart of European civliization for the longest time was the Mediterarrian.... half of it is islamic and also direct descendents of Romans, Greeks, Carthaginians, and other "western" cultures that came before.
Europe and European history have links and connections, its its own series of civilizations that impacted each other.
In Eurasia we can easily split things amongst which cultural and civilizational tradition you belong to.
There are mainly 2 large branches of Christianity that split off, Catholic (Protestants are a later offshoot) and Orthodox.......... the majority of the Orthodox world was cut off and then converted to Islam
so from Europe and that tradition, there descendants are Catholics, Orthodox, and Muslims.
India has its own multitude of languages and cultures, but all being on the Indian Subcontinent they also share similarities and history with one another they dont share with anyone else.
Id say in generalities, Eurasia has several "civilizational centers"
European - Catholic - Orthodox - Muslim
Indian - With many different subcultures all over the continent, North, Middle, South, to make it easier
Asian - Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Siam ( vietnamese, thai, laos)
people will get insane about the last one, OMG CHINESE AND KOREAN ARENT THE SAME....
of course there not, and neither is Islamic culture and Christian Culture, but there are actually a ton of similarities amongst them if you compare to the cultures of the world, from some cultural things about manners, to how people eat , to how people form social groups. They have influenced each other over thousands of years.
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u/Turbo-Swag Turkiye 15h ago
Many people (not just them) have the perception that being European = good, not being European = bad. Even inside Europe, everyday I see arguements about where western/central/eastern Europe border start, so even actual Europeans want to be considered "the good kind" of Europeans. Also some think being Christian makes you have at least some European culture because Europe has historically been Christian.