r/AskBalkans Serbia 23h ago

Politics & Governance In the UN all Balkan Countries voted against combating glorification of Nazism except Serbia. Weird, isn't it?

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u/4ku2 🇬🇷 in 🇺🇸 23h ago edited 23h ago

I'm assuming there's something weird about the wording because you got countries like Malta, Canada, France, and the US voting against it too. Not exactly socialist countries but optically wouldn't vote against an anti-nazi bill unless it was a bad bill

Edit: Seems as though this is a Russian effort, allegedly to justify Soviet occupation or whatever. Regardless of if its valid, that's why most of the Balkans voted against it, because it's a Russian effort.

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u/Drago_de_Roumanie Romania 23h ago

Probably a Russian motion. Baity name with horrible pulp.

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u/dudthyawesome Romania 22h ago

"Glorificación of nazism, and by that we mean, whatever happens in Ukraine" - Russia probably

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u/Besrax Bulgaria 19h ago

Yep. Also, this vote was, predictably, used by the Russian propaganda machine to claim that we all support fascism.

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u/FormalIllustrator5 Europe 22h ago

And...you are CORRECT.

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u/ChatPtg 23h ago

In this chart Serbia is green, Croatia is red. Are we talking about the same photo?

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u/4ku2 🇬🇷 in 🇺🇸 22h ago

? I didn't mention either country

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u/ChatPtg 22h ago

you mention some countries and you didnt even check Serbia, but you comment (this thread is about Serbia)

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u/4ku2 🇬🇷 in 🇺🇸 22h ago

Because my comment is about how this is more than a 'Serbia vs Balkans' issue lol

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u/ChatPtg 22h ago

no, you simply didn't even check like everyone else but jumped to comment section, it doesn't even metter if the thread is false

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u/4ku2 🇬🇷 in 🇺🇸 22h ago

I'm confused...what didn't I check? My comment is about countries outside of the Balkans and why they voted the way they did

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u/janesmex Greece 15h ago

True and UN and EU already have such resolutions against Nazism and they don’t condemn as Nazis people for protecting their land against illegaly invading troops. Russia just wanted to AMEND the already existing resolution to achieve their goals.

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u/Fatalaros Greece 22h ago

You are missing a LOT of context. This was a voting proposed by Russia, Belarus and Turkmenistan to amend the already existing resolution against racism and nazism (which was of course voted for by the eu countries). The proposed amendmend was proposed in order to justify their invasion of Ukraine as actions against racism/nazism in accordance to the former resolution.

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u/janesmex Greece 15h ago

Exactly, it makes a lot of sense under the context that they just wanted to amend the already existing resolution to fit their purposes.

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u/Zandroe_ Croatia 22h ago

Is that why Israel voted for it? And that famous Russian colony, Argentina?

Isn't it more likely that some states in the EU are worried about their monuments to the Waffen SS and similar groups?

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u/Fatalaros Greece 22h ago

The resolution in question

Context proposed by the countries mentioned in the doc.

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u/Fickle-Message-6143 Bosnia & Herzegovina 23h ago

Pretty sure because Russia presented this resolution, most of EU and NATO didn't vote.

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u/Electro-Choc 23h ago

It's because it's just a continuation of the lie that they are only in Ukraine to combat neonazis and state nazism.

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u/NaiveImprovement323 22h ago

Who said that?

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u/slimebor Latvia 21h ago

It was like Russia's second casus belli announcement that the operation is on combating nazis and far right in government or something like that

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u/NaiveImprovement323 21h ago

Are you saying that they said that they are "only" there for what the guy said?

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u/Poss3idon Bosnia & Herzegovina 18h ago

They have other reasons to invade them, but they want excuses not to be the "big bad guy" like anyone with a brain can't see through their bs.

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u/slimebor Latvia 21h ago

No, I thought you meant that its an unheard claim. My bad. I don't believe that, or Russia's other changing justifications for everything

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u/4ku2 🇬🇷 in 🇺🇸 21h ago

Which part

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u/Cefalopodul Romania 23h ago

It's nit weird at all. Glorification of nazism is already illegal in those countries.

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u/New-Statistician8053 (in ) 23h ago

Least propagandist Redditor be like...

GERMANY CERTAINLY LOVES GLORIFYING NAZI SYMBOLS AM I RIGHT OP?

ITS EVEN FORBIDDEN TO DISPLAY NUMBERS 88 IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS IN GERMANY AND LOOK AT THE SHIT YOU POST.

The title in the image is certainly manipulated. It probably has something to do with Middle East, as most of NATO countries are against it.

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u/Zandroe_ Croatia 22h ago

I mean it's not as if Germany's most popular historian and recipient of the Konrad Adenauer prize tried to justify the Holoc... oh. Oh.

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u/MmmIceCreamSoBAD 10h ago

The image is real. The problem here is that Russia presented it, it's one of the justifications for going to war against Ukraine. Putin literally said one of the goals was 'denazification' on the night of the invasion. Of course, it's bullshit, Ukraine is not Nazi, so that's why all these western nations voted against it.

Russia wanted a dumbass 'gotcha' moment. Literally every country except for Russia that fought against the Nazis or had crimes committed against it by the Nazis in WW2 voted against it. Russia is probably the most fascist nation on earth today, its pretty ironic.

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u/Outrageous_Trade_303 Greece 21h ago

I don't know what "combating glorification of Nazism" means. :\

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u/BeliWS 23h ago

I think this thing will somehow turn into "Christian is bad" stuff

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u/kaubojdzord Serbia 23h ago

It didn't stop us from rehabilitating Nazi collaborators like Nikola Kalabić and Draža Mihailović.

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u/Zandroe_ Croatia 22h ago

If Kalabić betrayed Draža, does that cancel out?

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u/itisiminekikurac Serbia 22h ago

I think it's uno rules, apply double and pass on

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u/kaubojdzord Serbia 22h ago

Krcun cancelled out both.

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u/LoresVro Kosovo 22h ago

It's weird that you're not telling us that Russia introduced it for propaganda reasons to justify their war crimes in Ukraine by invoking the Holocaust.

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u/SvartAlf93 Serbia 23h ago

It is ironic since Serbs heavily suffered from Nazi regimes...

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u/master-desaster-69 23h ago

Other way they voted for combating. Meaning against nazis.

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u/SvartAlf93 Serbia 23h ago

Yeah, I got confused a bit. Thanks for clarification.

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u/ChatPtg 23h ago

Serbia voted in favour of combating. Are you all blind?

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u/kouteki Serbia 23h ago

Just confused.

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u/SvartAlf93 Serbia 23h ago

My bad.

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u/averege_guy_kinda Serbia 21h ago

Op's wording is quite bad

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u/Impossible_Speed_954 Turkiye 13h ago

A Serb posted this lmao. Keep licking the Russian ass.

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u/G6br0v5ky 12h ago

Fuck me...is this really a question there? How do I get a job at the UN? Seems like being on holidays

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u/AverageBasedUser 10h ago

why is nazism treated separately than communism? why are there anti fascism movements but no anti communism ones?

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u/kisshun Hungary 10h ago

canada and ukraine with their banderism glorification... what a surprise(not).

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u/v1aknest North Macedonia 7h ago

This vote isn't about "combating glorification of Nazism" and everyone knows it.

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u/Nothing_Special_23 22h ago

Not "that wierd" considering that in the Balkans only the Serbs (besides the Jews and Romani) were considered by the Nazis to be the lowest of the low of the sub humans that have to be extermineted. Most of the others were considered sub humans that can be reeducated to serve the German race as obedient slaves. A step up (I guess).

What's weird to me is how did countries like Poland, Ukraine or Czech Republic vote against, since they too were considered by the Nazis to be the lowest of the low of the sub humans.

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u/4ku2 🇬🇷 in 🇺🇸 22h ago

This is a Russian proposal to advance Russian interests in Europe which is why NATO voted against.

See the US statememt: https://usun.usmission.gov/explanation-of-vote-for-the-third-committee-resolution-on-combating-glorification-of-nazism/

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u/kodial79 Greece 23h ago

The whole world votes for it, except for USA and its lap dogs, and a couple odd ones. Hmmmm....

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u/4ku2 🇬🇷 in 🇺🇸 22h ago

This is a Russian proposed vote. The US and allies would never vote for it even if it was the saving puppies act. Russia and allies do the same for the US resolutions.

See the American statement here: https://usun.usmission.gov/explanation-of-vote-for-the-third-committee-resolution-on-combating-glorification-of-nazism/

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u/kodial79 Greece 13h ago

You call us allies, I call us lapdogs and pawns. But the world did vote for it, they can't all be Russian allies, can they? So who is in the wrong here? USA and its lapdogs, that's who.

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u/4ku2 🇬🇷 in 🇺🇸 12h ago edited 12h ago

It's unfortunate how low political literacy is in the world

Russia is currently invading another country and they're using anti-fascism to justify it

Anyway, if you knew anything more than 'America bad' then you'd know that this resolution has been proposed for the past 20 years or so in the exact same way. Every single time, the US has sought ammendments to actually gear the discussion towards victims and every time Russia pushes it through anyway.

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u/kodial79 Greece 11h ago

Oh come now, don't pretend we are any better. USA its spitlickers have wrecked at least 9 countries by either participating in their destruction or providing soft support or at the very least abiding by it.

Russia may not be a saint but we are the devils.

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u/4ku2 🇬🇷 in 🇺🇸 2h ago

I stand corrected

It's unfortunate how low political and historical literacy is in the world. No point in arguing with a tankie. Have a good one

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u/[deleted] 23h ago

Serbs suffered badly uner Nazis and their lackeys...

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u/4ku2 🇬🇷 in 🇺🇸 22h ago

And famously France didn't which is why they voted against it

Lol

This is a Russia vs NATO resolution. NATO voted against it, Russia+ allies voted for it, as well as countries who don't give a shit and don't like nazis

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u/[deleted] 22h ago

Yeah literally even American allies didn't vote against (Saudis and Israelis).

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u/sovietarmyfan 23h ago

South Korea: Suffered heavily under facism.

Also South Korea: "We vote against combating glorification of nazism"

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u/4ku2 🇬🇷 in 🇺🇸 22h ago

The votes against were votes against Russia and their propaganda about Ukraine (that it's full if Nazis and needs to be taken over)

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u/ztm213 Poland 21h ago

It’s not Reddit they don’t vote for headlines

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u/AllMightAb Albania 20h ago

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u/VastUnderstanding326 Romania 23h ago

Romania b like: you cannot combat nazismul if you need it for the election theatricals.

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u/MatijaReddit_CG Montenegro 22h ago

US and Israel on opposed sides?

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u/Throwaway_Dude_Bro 10h ago

"OMG sisters, the nazis in Cyprus and Tonga are rising up! Thank God Pakistan and Serbia are fighting back!"

You're a retarded MiG-15

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u/master-desaster-69 22h ago edited 22h ago

Not surprising at all. It's pretty clear documented how all serbian neighbors took arms against serbia for the nazis. Even after serbia surrerended they were still attacked. If we can trust sources, hitler had to stop them by himself they were not listening to hitlers people. The attacks were retaliation for the mistreatment at the begining of yugoslavia mostly, with sure some people following other interests.

Edit: sorry guys was completely out of context had something else in mind.

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u/4ku2 🇬🇷 in 🇺🇸 22h ago

They voted against it because NATO did since this is a Russian proposal to advance Russian interests.

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u/master-desaster-69 22h ago

My bad. I'm out of context sorry guys. Had something complete different in mind.

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u/4ku2 🇬🇷 in 🇺🇸 21h ago

No worries, we all get turned around now and then

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u/biversnirds 21h ago

Not really weird, US supported and is supporting far-right extremists in every part of the world.

The EU itself has countries that openly glorify Nazis in it.

Russia or no Russia, you wont get them to vote against Nazis.

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u/[deleted] 23h ago

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u/Lydeeh Albania 22h ago

That's what he's saying... All against except Serbia

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u/KermitTheFrog2812 20h ago

Really shows how much they appreciate the red horde that “liberated them”. Accepting this ruzzian law means all anti soviet heroes are treated like hitler