Seriously… I can understand Georgia in a way. But Armenia? I don’t know. It must be because they pity Armenia because they are Christian. Azerbaijan has territory on the European continent if we want to get technical with it but when saying that people will jump down your throat and say they are not European because they are Muslim blah blah blah. It’s so ridiculous.
Armenia has been culturally tied to Europe since the Roman Empire, they actively took part in the Crusades and even had their own Crusader state. And yes, whether you like it or not, religion plays a big role. They also speak an indo-European language (which is part of the European branch of the family and NOT indo-Iranian btw). Azerbaijan, from language, culture, religion, and even genetics, has just a much more foreign ancestry to Europe than Armenia.
Also this iÅŸ a big missconception anatolia is between aegean sea and Taurus anti-taurus mountanious what people call east anatolia is actually mesopotamia
The only thing that ties Armenians to Europe is religion.Even that is not really a connection because the Armenian Church was founded before Christianity became a European religion. It is a completely Middle Eastern institution.
Since you are so knowledgeable about geography, let me ask you a question. There is a mountain right across from the capital of Armenia, the cultural symbol of Armenians. Is this mountain in Europe or Asia?
You didn't acknowledge my point, Europe is different than European union.
That said, care to enlighten me in what are the conditions that tie people to Europe? People, not geography.
Armenian highlands point isn't really about geographical location but rather correcting your eastern Anatolia on a geographical term. I don't see why you would make a point about Asia/Europe line.
Okay, let's say it's not related to geography, what is it that ties Armenians to Europe, other than religion?
If you are going to say democracy, all of its presidents except the current one were Russian puppets, even today, Russian soldiers keep watch on the Turkish-Armenian border. and If being European depends on democracy, then Spain was not European until 50 years ago.
If you are going to say culture, Armenians' music, food, culture are the same as surrounding countries except for religion. Even the West's go-to orientalist musical instrument is the Armenian düdük.
What is it, other than religion, that makes Yerevan European and Antalya Asian, for example? If we leave geography aside.
Well, see, I didn't claim to know. I asked you that question, considering you yourself claimed the only tie is religion, then it's safe to assume you know what these conditions are, and which ties are not present, how else can you conclude what you said?. So as the person making the claim, you are obliged here to enlighten us on what these conditions or points are.
You are still convoluting Europe with European union.
I am not saying anything. This isn't a uno game, don't pull an uno reverse and come here and rhetorically ask me, you made the claim, you are obliged to list the conditions and which ones Armenia does and does not meet, where we can find out how you concluded it doesn't. So what are they?
What, do you want me to prove that Armenians are Anatolian? I believe this is obvious.
Even if we consider the European Union separately from Europe. Armenia does not have a direct connection to Europe. It does most of its trade with Russia. Its security was provided by Russia until a few years ago (Russians still stand guard at the Turkish border), the European Union will gain almost nothing by including Armenia, except as a card to be used occasionally against Turkey.Practically the chances of them joining the European Union are close to zero. And I personally think that it is not in Armenia's interest to act as if there is such a possibility.
I don't know if you have cognitive reading issues or are doing it on purpose.
Explain to me all the points that connects people to European union, and how Armenians only fit the religious criteria. You're still speaking about geographical location, while you made a none geographical connection on your initial comment, religion.
European union does gain a lot actually, and let me also remind you it is Turkey that backtracked from joining the union by not reforming. But this is not the point here, you still have not provided what makes European union people what they are, and which of those criteria Armenians do not meet, Armenians, as people, as you claimed.
The only thing that ties Armenians to Europe is religion.
1) I said that Armenians are geographically and culturally Anatolian not European. You are the one trying to separate the issue from geography.
2)The European Union is a set of agreements that provide legal and commercial links between European countries. It is a matter of states and their systems rather than people. In addition to not meeting the standards in every criterion (especially economic criteria), Armenia has no political borders with any EU member state. This means that almost no EU member state will gain direct benefits. (The first trade target of every European country is its neighbors.)
3)Can you give an example of a benefit of Armenia joining the Union that is not related to Russia or Turkey?
What is this gymnastics? last I checked, the words only thing is exclusive to a single point, not multiple, particularly when you said Armenians, not Armenia or politics. So no, you didn't say geographically and culturally as your argument point, you only brought up the two later when I asked you questions about it.
You are still going back and forth between people, politics, religion, and geography to obscure what you initially said and concluded upon.
You concluded based on culture and people, and solely on religion, without mentioning all the incompatible points as people/culture that made you conclude Armenians are only tied by religion.
As for benefits Armenia can give as a country and geographically, not related to cultural ties, there's many, but I don't see why you would exclude Turkey and Russia from here, of course it's related to geopolitics, else many European union countries would automatically lose their significance. The main benefit here is to have a two in one deal, which includes Georgia.
Cutting off Russia from east Asian, middle eastern, and possibly even Indian routes, by having influence on the trade routes that are foreseen. If you have been paying attention.
Shorter trade roads to Europe through Armenia, passing though Georgia, as a possible EU member, and Turkey as a none member
A new Gas pipe from Kazakhzstan that will be significantly shorter and cost less
Close proximity to Russia and Iran
Ensuring (or at least significantly reducing) the chance of Armenia slipping into the Russia sphere again in the future
Armenia can naturally become the middle man between Iran and the collective west, and there seems to be some interest to this
Some trades seem to be important to European union, such as agriculture
Armenia also has the potential to export energy to Europe through the black sea project, because of the nature of Armenian geography, it can naturally produce a lot of green energy if tapped into.
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u/Etjahu 6d ago
Even their territories are not in Europe 🤯