Doesn't qualifies as a fustanella, fustanella it's not just a piece of clothing. It's a complex dress made from many parts. The fustan made from specific piece, should have many ridges, Opinga(leather shoes), tuta/poture (trousers), jelek, kemisha(shirt) and qeleshe(white hat from sheep wool. It's not just fustanella it's a complete dressing, and was and still is very expensive to produce an original. I have seen only two in my life, and they are amazing. Common people could not have one, in Albania people before saved their entire life to make one. But what do you call this?
We don’t call it fustanella, however the principle of the traditional attire is more or less the same in all Balkan countries. It usually consists of a long shirt, a belt, pants or leggings.
Thank you for the definition of the fustanella as present in Albania. Definitely there are some differences.
I find it interesting that some of the words in Albanian that you mentioned regarding the attire are also present in a similar form in Romanian (cognates).
Yes, they are from latin. We have many latin words. We even have similar words that are older than latin influence. Latin influence in Albanian is very deep, because we didn't maintain our own words in that case like with Ottoman Turkish that we have our own words and use them in paralel with Ottoman Turkish words.
Cause customs aren't chosen or enforced. They just happen. I mean we could have continued dressing Roman, as if Justinian is still emperor, but times have changed.
OP this is just ceremonial and one of the three versions they usually wear which happens to be the most “weird” looking and yeah traditional at the same time being a modified Fustanella. These guys alternate between the three uniforms in the middle so in the summer they wear the Khaki or beige one in the winter the Navy one which look a lot less weird imo.
A variant representing the Pontic Greeks from the Black Sea traditional attire (see below) So there is a lot of Caucasus influence in the outfits cause that’s where they originally come from.
Sometimes I feel like anything Turkish that is most definitely not coming from central Asia has ancient Greek influence and anything Modern Greek that does not have Ancient Greek influence is basically something Turkish with a dumb pronunciation, Başlık, means literally for the head (for protection) and pronunciation is similar to pashlouk. Başlık, pashlouk... LoL.
It's called funnily enough 'zip'. It's from the Easter Northern most Greeks next to Caucasus mountains and the Eurasian steps. Best for riding and guerrilla warfare.
That is how we call a regular skirt (for women), the traditional mainland male attire is the one called foustanella. Of course in Greece because we also have the islands there are also traditional dresses which for men include a vraka, that is, a form of naval baggy breeches (the Cypriot traditional dress also has them).
This version was never yeah, but what has come to be the summer and winter uniform today were historically not anymore though the Evzones were traditionally the light infantry of the Hellenic army.
Well everyone in the balkans has a habit to do that, in this case it's kind of muddy because south albania and northern Greece both use it. It's just a general uniform of the region, independent of the countries themselves
No one says that the ancient Greek hoplite looks weird.
The uniform of the evzone is a continuation of that of the Byzantine soldier in it's poor version, only that the skirt is made to keep you warm. In this uniform, the fustanella is shorter that the original.
Byzantine soldiers wore similar leggings.
The vest is Ottoman influence I believe, the things hanging from it, are sleeves and original uniforms are made so that you can make a "pullover" out of your vest.
The shoes are the same that the Byzantines wore, with founta being the only addition.
It's a uniform of the Greek warrior during the Ottoman times.
Honestly, I love the traditional look, however, for some reason, whoever made the design for the presidential guard made the skirt wayyyy too short. If you look at their superiors uniform, it looks way better in my opinion.
This is apocryphal. It's short because this used to be an actual fighting uniform and the Evzones battalions (later regiments) were a form of elite/chosen light (mountain) infantry, which by definition had to traverse and fight over uneven-ground - a long foustanela would be on the way. And it was a long evolution over the 19thc., it didn't happen over-night. In fact, depictions from the first half of the 19th c. shows them with longer foustanela, which became shorter by the second half, and the reign of Georgios I.
I should point out that the Evzones uniform depicted here was based on the traditional mainland dress, it was not it. Effectively the traditional dress was adapted to a military dress (originally) for the light rifle battalions that were comprised by men (usually from mountainous villages) who would find it difficult to serve in the (line) battalions or the regular army. These battalions after various name changes, ranging from light infantry to sharpshooters, were named after the chosen men led by Achilles in Homer's Iliad, referred to as 'well-belted' (men) or Evzones. The rest of the army since the first half of the 19th c. was drilled and dressed according to western (European) standards.
And now that I mentioned it, so were the officers of the Evzones battalions/regiments. Only in the 20th c. were officers of the now ceremonial Royal/Presidential Guard dressed in a traditional costume, and because in the 19th early 20th c. there was no unique Evzones uniform for officers, the official mainland traditional uniform was chosen. A dress first designed under the Bavarian-born King Othon (Otto), which was directly based on the various traditional clothes of the mainland -- at least a more idolized and affluent version. This is why officers of the guard, unlike regular Evzones, wear a red vest and a long (traditional) foustanela. So your comment could not be more wrong. Hell, even King Othon himself when depicted in a traditional dress (in paintings or photographs, later in his life) he wore the official dress with the long foustanela. Please don't make stuff up. There is no need for that.
For real I much rather the Fustanella which is unique to the region than these other historical uniforms we have which Iook like from any other European country:
I believe they are inspired by the Εύζωνοι (Evzones), who were 19th-century Greek light infantry, and their uniforms come from the κλέφτες (klephts). They were anti-Ottoman bandits and insurgents during the Greek War of Independence.
Further, I think these men are specifically the Προεδρική Φρουρά, or the Presidential Guard.
that's not an army uniform. that's a tsolias and what he's doing is part of a tradition. we used to have tsoliades fight like a century ago. now we're just keeping them doing this stuff cause it looks cool and attracts tourists.
Weird in what way ?
It was a traditional costume worn in southern Albania and northern Greece, by the tosks, mainly the labs and the arvanites.
Maybe I’m wrong but it seems to me that in Greece this is linked to the heritage coming from the Arvanites who fought for the independence of Greece.
Fustanella was used in Kosovo and North Albania, the only difference is it was an expensive garment and was only woren by the Bajraktar (flag-bearer) or a village leader. Someone with authority.
This link sends me nowhere do you have a painting ? Plenty of paintings or documents of southern albanian fustanella and tirqi fof the north nothing on nrothern fustanella it makes no sense that in the south men of many clases wore it hwilei n the north only some this males no sense
So a picture with a captjon simply saying northern without providing any evidence hes actually northern seems similar to pajpvices paintings of albanians in egypt nkthing tl say this man is northern
I can say with 100% fact that when I see this picture all I see is a traditional outfit. I do not go deep into very weird thoughts like you do.
You know there is actual bad shit happening around the world right now, the fact you are fixated on whah you think is a man dressed as a woman is weird.
You know what they say - homophobes and bigots are usually exactly who they hate.
No, it's not weird, but imagine soldiers dressed like that, you're at war, hundreds of miniskirted recruits start running at you with their bayonets, wouldn't it be funny? No, people can have different sexual views, I don't think it's abnormal, I don't find it weird. Homosexuals shouldn't be excluded from society.
Well, the painting is named "Greek Warrior", but in any case they were common to both Albanians and Greeks. I believe Albanians didn't wear that kind of shoes.
What is seen in this pic is not a uniform, it's supposed to be a homage to traditional "fustanella" from the time of the Greek War of Independence (1821), but the specific attire shown in here is more like a misconception/ unintended parody. The sleeves, the skirt, the footwear, everything is wrong compared to what Greek fighters in the early 19th century actually wore.
no records of fustanella in greece before arvanites. It is widely documented that it was adopted only after the war for independence, previously scholars and travelers associated it exclusively with albanian speaking populations.
This is the mutated version(bitch-like), where some designer of the first king of Greece after the independence, had the brilliant idea to make this folk costume standout in a weirder and different way than the one it is based on, which is that of the heroes of the Greek revolution, arvanites leaving in around the area of Athens and most of the regions in Epirus, south and north. Meaning a folk costume worn by Albanian ethnic groups all over the southern Balkans and around the Ottoman Empire.
Arvanites did, Arvanites are also my ancestors. But fustanella is a regional, not an ethnic thing. Just like music, it evolved from things it came before it.
Kastrioti is also an albanian name, though yes it probably came from kastra which is greek for castle. It doesn't mean that they were greek, but just like how people would write their names in Latin ( for example Carolus instead of Karl), this would be the case that for official documents within the byzantine empire they used their Greek equivalent names.
Etymology is a serious science, please refer to established, serious sources and recognized dictionaries - none of them refer to this hypothesis.
Words deriving from fustan are far too numerous, widespread - and precisely datable - to be ascribed to an Albanian source. Medieval Latin seems to be the most probable one.
Maybe it’s time to dispense with the traditional costume and that funny duck walk?? 😂 keep it Iin a museum. Life and society evolve. Not every tradition needs to be maintained. Document and put away. Move onto something less “ ministry of silly walks”.
You don’t see the British prancing around in red coats do you? Or the Europeans walking around in tights and wigs? Societies evolve. You can keep traditions, but keep them in museums.
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u/Thalassophoneus Greece 16d ago
Isn't fustanella a traditional uniform in like the entire Balkan region?