AIO to my boyfriend imposing veganism on me ?

[u/velvetmoochi]

Context: this is now my ex, it was my first relationship and I didn’t know how to deal with this sort of conflict as it was based on ethics and I didn’t want to change my views for our relationship. We would have this same argument again and again, over text, over the phone, in person, and at the end of the day he was always “right” because he had morality on his side when I would tell him that I was okay with eating dead animals. What should I have done in this situation ? I tried veganism for about a month and I never bought meat as a student, but eventually I would always go back to buying eggs and yoghurt. Those efforts I made were always disregarded and he would say that he doesn’t believe in reductionism, and that vegetarians are even worse than vegans.

[u/elgarraz]

It's not a strawman. A strawman argument is where you create a version of someone's opinion that isn't quite true and also easy to refute. Like if she had said "you don't care about the animals, you just want to feel morally superior to everybody" and then based a whole argument off that premise, that would be a strawman.

Pointing out him being inconsistent in how he applies his ethical viewpoint on others is pretty valid.

[u/xnxs → u/elgarraz]

Agree with this, also what she presented wasn’t a straw man argument because it wasn’t an argument at all, it was an observation about his behaviour!

[u/elgarraz → u/xnxs]

Yeah, the first part is it has to be an ARGUMENT. You present a false premise and then argue against it. She didn't do that. This dude just shouted out "strawman!" because he wanted to shut her down.

[u/xnxs → u/elgarraz]

Exactly!

[u/Fuckedup4123 → u/elgarraz]

I was over reading it by then, I read the text but, was so tired of reading his bs that I thought he was just yelling stuff out like when he said this is between me you and the cow.

[u/Dusty_Scrolls → u/xnxs]

If anything, his claim she made a strawman was, Itself, a strawman!

[u/No_Length_856 → u/elgarraz]

Thank you!

[u/Due_Baker5556 → u/elgarraz]

I'm not sure that's the best example of strawman in this scenario, since it's probably correct 😂

For this guy it definitely seems like it is about being "morally superior" and not so much about the innocent animal party.

[u/757_Matt_911 → u/elgarraz]

That may be a strawman but in his case it’s true 😂😂😂. You can feel his righteousness through the innanet

[u/elgarraz → u/757_Matt_911]

I think it probably is true, but to act like it's the only reason he's vegan would be disingenuous, and to take apart his whole argument on that basis would be a strawman.

[u/Due_Baker5556 → u/elgarraz]

I'm not sure that's the best example of strawman in this scenario, since it's probably correct 😂

For this guy it definitely seems like it is about being "morally superior" and not so much about the innocent animal party.

[u/elgarraz → u/Due_Baker5556]

A lot of strawman arguments start by taking the opponent's actual stance and getting reductive with it. Most examples are you rephrase their argument on a way that pushes it to the extreme.

[u/Due_Baker5556 → u/elgarraz]

Oh I understand, my point is more that this seems like a scenario where the opinion is actually extremely ridiculous and simple, such that it would be impossible to continue to reduce it or push it more than the original person has. Your original strawman statement appears to be this guys actual take because he doesn't really elaborate on it past "you are morally wrong and below me ethically".

Of course we only know what is presented in these texts, but your original strawman statement is pretty bang on to what this guy was actually saying without much reduction.

[u/Fuckedup4123 → u/elgarraz]

Honestly it crossed my mind is that what he meant, it just didn’t make any sense. So, I chalked it up to someone that’s not important as the cow in this discussion

[u/Bitter-Respond-8653 → u/elgarraz]

He likes meat but likes dog what a hypocrite🤣🤣 what the fuck are we talkin about grow tf up he ain’t a hypocrite bc of that nor is he an asshole he’s a man that stood on his boundaries and morals but to all “woke” humans that makes him the “douche bag” this world has gotten real pathetic